What you are really asking is, What is the purpose of life? Without first defining that, it is impossible to ask your other questions; what is "good" or what the "goal" should be.
We are all on a spaceship (Earth) traveling through space. There is no escape.
We have too many people and not enough food and water (resources) or air (climate change) to attain our destination (sustainable life).
The point of no return has been passed (population overshoot).
The problem we know and the solution we know.
The solution is such a big problem though. We cannot face it nor apply it.
It is because we are enslaved by our human nature.
Self preservation at all costs (every crew member has a reason why they are important) will result in continuous engineering and technical solution attempts.
Each attempt will further deplete the spaceship and deny future generations a fighting chance, even when the time eventually arrives and the population sufficiently declines due to limits being reached.
Each (seemingly) successful attempt will enable those alive to thrive, breed and consume, further adding to the problems of (food and water) resource depletion and (air quality) global warming.
Our solutions will not really be solutions, they will simply be attempts by those with agendas and self interests to continue a semblance of BAU.
Each attempt will further deplete the spaceship and deny future generations a fighting chance, even when the time eventually arrives and the population sufficiently declines due to limits being reached.
Each (seemingly) successful attempt will enable those alive to thrive, breed and consume, further adding to the problems of (food and water) resource depletion and (air quality) global warming.
I don't believe these are as inevitable as you describe them.
We hear countless examples of how we can be affecting the ecosystem less harmfully or more helpfully, and this does not guarantee that we will then just populate to outstrip all resources. We've done that in this setup BECAUSE we had all this energy to do it with.
Examples of more positive interaction with nature.. Joel Salatin's 'Grass Farm' (see omnivore's dilemma), with multiple species of plants and animals deployed to support the grasses and treat the wastes of one as an input for another. Positive for healthy animals, foods, soils and groundwater. Labor intensive, but that's jobs.. Also, countless approaches to build and renovate homes for far better use of resources and energy, proximity to community, shops, work.
There are tons of efforts we can apply that do not add to the waste or resource depletion, provide meaningful work and more meaningful lifestyles (regaining consciousness after the Video slumber of the last 50 years..)
For me, the 'Greatest Good' gets into parsing out the materials, habits and energies in our lifestyles, and bit by bit learning to 'Do No (Do Less..) Harm'. There are so many ways to work WITH the energies and materials around us without wasting them away. Population, I'm guessing, will simply mirror the available energy supply.. it has no choice. It will go down, maybe way down.. but not away. But we, in the meantime, have lots of other choices we can be making.
I just spent the afternoon blowing cellulose insulation (recycled newspaper, it seems) into the 160year old plaster walls in one more room of my house, using a homemade blower built from a few recycled plywood Political Roadsigns, some tubing and PVC pipe and a surplus blower motor. Works Great, More Filling! I can't wait to rent it out to my neighbors, or trade it for Pie and Piano Lessons! (One kid, and it's gonna stay that way)
In the shadow of Saturn, unexpected wonders appear. The robotic Cassini spacecraft now orbiting Saturn recently drifted in giant planet's shadow for about 12 hours and looked back toward the eclipsed Sun. Cassini saw a view unlike any other. First, the night side of Saturn is seen to be partly lit by light reflected from its own majestic ring system. Next, the rings themselves appear dark when silhouetted against Saturn, but quite bright when viewed away from Saturn, slightly scattering sunlight, in this exaggerated color image. Saturn's rings light up so much that new rings were discovered, although they are hard to see in the image. Seen in spectacular detail, however, is Saturn's E ring, the ring created by the newly discovered ice-fountains of the moon Enceladus and the outermost ring visible above. Far in the distance, at the left, just above the bright main rings, is the almost ignorable pale blue dot of Earth.
I was reminded by NPR this morning that the Mars Rovers are still chugging away, and it turns out that the second one launched on the same day our daughter was born! I think I have to get the action figure of it now!
"NASA's twin robot geologists, the Mars Exploration Rovers, launched toward Mars on June 10 and July 7, 2003, in search of answers about the history of water on Mars. They landed on Mars January 3 and January 24 PST, 2004 (January 4 and January 25 UTC, 2004).
..Before landing, the goal for each rover was to drive up to 40 meters (about 44 yards) in a single day, for a total of up to one 1 kilometer (about three-quarters of a mile). Both goals have been far exceeded!" http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/overview/
Not bad for a couple of Solar Powered EV's in subzero conditions!
(The average recorded temperature on Mars is -63° C (-81° F) with a maximum temperature of 20° C (68° F) and a minimum of -140° C (-220° F). http://www.solarviews.com/eng/mars.htm )
What you are really asking is, What is the purpose of life? Without first defining that, it is impossible to ask your other questions; what is "good" or what the "goal" should be.
Todd
We are all on a spaceship (Earth) traveling through space. There is no escape.
We have too many people and not enough food and water (resources) or air (climate change) to attain our destination (sustainable life).
The point of no return has been passed (population overshoot).
The problem we know and the solution we know.
The solution is such a big problem though. We cannot face it nor apply it.
It is because we are enslaved by our human nature.
Self preservation at all costs (every crew member has a reason why they are important) will result in continuous engineering and technical solution attempts.
Each attempt will further deplete the spaceship and deny future generations a fighting chance, even when the time eventually arrives and the population sufficiently declines due to limits being reached.
Each (seemingly) successful attempt will enable those alive to thrive, breed and consume, further adding to the problems of (food and water) resource depletion and (air quality) global warming.
Our solutions will not really be solutions, they will simply be attempts by those with agendas and self interests to continue a semblance of BAU.
I don't believe these are as inevitable as you describe them.
We hear countless examples of how we can be affecting the ecosystem less harmfully or more helpfully, and this does not guarantee that we will then just populate to outstrip all resources. We've done that in this setup BECAUSE we had all this energy to do it with.
Examples of more positive interaction with nature.. Joel Salatin's 'Grass Farm' (see omnivore's dilemma), with multiple species of plants and animals deployed to support the grasses and treat the wastes of one as an input for another. Positive for healthy animals, foods, soils and groundwater. Labor intensive, but that's jobs.. Also, countless approaches to build and renovate homes for far better use of resources and energy, proximity to community, shops, work.
There are tons of efforts we can apply that do not add to the waste or resource depletion, provide meaningful work and more meaningful lifestyles (regaining consciousness after the Video slumber of the last 50 years..)
For me, the 'Greatest Good' gets into parsing out the materials, habits and energies in our lifestyles, and bit by bit learning to 'Do No (Do Less..) Harm'. There are so many ways to work WITH the energies and materials around us without wasting them away. Population, I'm guessing, will simply mirror the available energy supply.. it has no choice. It will go down, maybe way down.. but not away. But we, in the meantime, have lots of other choices we can be making.
I just spent the afternoon blowing cellulose insulation (recycled newspaper, it seems) into the 160year old plaster walls in one more room of my house, using a homemade blower built from a few recycled plywood Political Roadsigns, some tubing and PVC pipe and a surplus blower motor. Works Great, More Filling! I can't wait to rent it out to my neighbors, or trade it for Pie and Piano Lessons! (One kid, and it's gonna stay that way)
Bob
speeking of spaceships ...
In the shadow of Saturn, unexpected wonders appear. The robotic Cassini spacecraft now orbiting Saturn recently drifted in giant planet's shadow for about 12 hours and looked back toward the eclipsed Sun. Cassini saw a view unlike any other. First, the night side of Saturn is seen to be partly lit by light reflected from its own majestic ring system. Next, the rings themselves appear dark when silhouetted against Saturn, but quite bright when viewed away from Saturn, slightly scattering sunlight, in this exaggerated color image. Saturn's rings light up so much that new rings were discovered, although they are hard to see in the image. Seen in spectacular detail, however, is Saturn's E ring, the ring created by the newly discovered ice-fountains of the moon Enceladus and the outermost ring visible above. Far in the distance, at the left, just above the bright main rings, is the almost ignorable pale blue dot of Earth.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090111.html
Awesome.
Nice, thanks!
I was reminded by NPR this morning that the Mars Rovers are still chugging away, and it turns out that the second one launched on the same day our daughter was born! I think I have to get the action figure of it now!
"NASA's twin robot geologists, the Mars Exploration Rovers, launched toward Mars on June 10 and July 7, 2003, in search of answers about the history of water on Mars. They landed on Mars January 3 and January 24 PST, 2004 (January 4 and January 25 UTC, 2004).
..Before landing, the goal for each rover was to drive up to 40 meters (about 44 yards) in a single day, for a total of up to one 1 kilometer (about three-quarters of a mile). Both goals have been far exceeded!" http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/overview/
Not bad for a couple of Solar Powered EV's in subzero conditions!
(The average recorded temperature on Mars is -63° C (-81° F) with a maximum temperature of 20° C (68° F) and a minimum of -140° C (-220° F). http://www.solarviews.com/eng/mars.htm )