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Do you attempt to model the cost savings due to reduced need for road maintenance, and reduced need for road widening caused by reduced truck traffic?
I/we wanted to, but could not find any good data of the split between wear & tear from trucks (cars = zero) and salt & weather. (Buses and SUVs are so small as to ignore). Any sources/ good estimates out there ?
With BAU, the economy shrinks, employment does not grow beyond current levels and there will be no need for more lanes/roads even under BAU (see USA as 3rd World nation).
Best Hopes,
Alan
"(Buses and SUVs are so small as to ignore)." With respect to road maintenance expenditures, it appears.
Alan - In a recent discussion with a guy who works for OKC, he commented somewhat the opposite.
Some background. There is a move to save the railyards just south of the old Union Station. The Station is a historical landmark, but the railyard is not. Other communities around OKC want to save the railyard, but OKC has not been motivated to take up the fight to save them, because the need to replace the old and possible dangerous overhead section of I-40 just south of downtown is their greatest need, and that project is underway or virtually underway. The discussion with the guy from the City was to get their opinion, informally and unofficially, about what the City needed. He opined that the City most needed busses to meet their current needs and the monies to keep the streets where those busses would run in good repair.
If the system were built out as the exurban cities want, this would entail a massive number of miles - I would guess in excess of 100 miles of improved rail - with a limited ridership. The City has considered many other alternatives, and does not favor the commuter rail, at a high cost, much of which would be borne by the residents of the City, just to dump a bunch of folks who do not live there downtown, with most wanting to go someplace else which the existing and planned facilities cannot handle. If it is crammed down the City's throat, which I do not see, it will cause massive expenditures for the improvements to the streets to facilitate the use of busses.
Thus, my question - is your quote above accurate for this sort of circumstance?
It may be theoretical, since I do not think that the cities who favor the plan will be willing to raise their taxes sufficiently to handle their share of the burden, but "stimulus package" funds might take enough of that burden off the exurban cities for the COG to try to impose the system on OKC, like it or not. Using Dallas system, DART, as an example however, 83% of the sales tax revenues which support DART are spent on operating expenses (for 2004, the latest year I could find). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Area_Rapid_Transit
Where buses outnumber 18 wheel trucks (example city bus routes) they cause a majority of the damage (damage is proportional to the 5th power of the axle weight, with a small adjustment for tire width).
City streets are stereotypically paid for and maintained with city property taxes.
In a nation wide sense, the miles of bus routes are trivial when compared to the miles of truck routes (or streets routinely used by trucks). All interstates. all US highways, most state highways, some county roads and city streets.
I have only briefly driven through OKC, but their built environment seems to be mainly post-WW II. Starting with a "walkable core" (perhaps built around the train station to state capital complex ?) with a streetcar circulator and many bikeways seems a possibility.
Alan
Having spent decades driving urban/suburban buses I could definitely say that 18-wheelers out numbered buses at least 100 to 1. There is a lot of that 'last mile' trucking going on along bus routes.
Thanks for the clarification, Alan. With a Metropolitan Area of 6,359 sq miles, OKC is one of the larger cities, area-wise, in the US. The distribution of the population within that area and the mix of various communities leaves the City of OKC (as opposed to the OKC metro area) at a significant disadvantage when it comes to both the cost of the busses and the maintenance of the streets, especially when the operating costs are factored in. The method generally suggested to pay for additional Metro Transit System costs is sales taxes, the single most regressive form of taxation, expecially in a state where even food purchases are subject to sales tax. There is a reduction in income tax to compensate somewhat for the regressive nature of the sales tax, but it is in my opinion insufficient. Even when the operating costs are covered, however, the street maintenance costs remain.
And, yes, OKC is primarily post WW II, and it is easy to drive through and not see the bulk of what is there. Downtown is one destination, with respect to transit to work, but so are the State capitol comples, Tinker Air Force Base, and the I-40, I-44 and I-35 corridors (not to ignore the other freeways, just hitting the high points.)
A downtown circulator is in the later planning stages, rail I think, and once the I-40 overhead is torn down when it is relocated to the south at ground level, the City has some well thought out plans for a more sustainable area close to downtown. The capitol complex is somewhat removed from downtown, and the whole thing is far different from what you would think, given our State's reputation for conservatism, which derives largely from other parts of the State.
There are lot of variables to consider unfortunately. Rather than try and model it, I am wondering if it would simply be easier to compare roads that prohibit trucks (like some parkways) and roads that don't, and use this to try and get a handle on how the maintenance requirements are increased by the presence of trucks.
I am thinking that your best best is to find an engineer at a state highway department who can give you some real-life and uptodate numbers to work with, and help to choose some good roads to use as your sample.