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These are pretty chilling statistics especially in view of the fact that the trend seems to be continuing and even accelerating. We should probably be talking to our congressmen about "peak exports" instead of "peak oil"
Welcome to my world of Net Oil Exports Obsession (a still rare, but slowly growing clinical disorder which leads one to talk endlessly about obscure mathematical models at parties). Unfortunately, most politicians and most media types (with a handful of honorable exceptions) don't like to talk about finite energy supplies, and they especially don't want to talk about accelerating decline rates.
You do have to appreciate the irony of a group of politicians desperately trying--in effect--to increase our demand for exported petroleum and to bail out the auto/housing/finance industry, when I think that we are in the early stages of a long term accelerating decline in net oil exports.
If my candidate for office, Alan Drake, were running (on a platform based electrified rail) , his campaign slogan would be the following: "Vote for me and things will probably not be as bad as they would otherwise have been."
This is a little off the subject, but I've always had an interest in Great Depression and it's world wide repercussions. Lately I have been interested in coal production trends in the 1920s, specifically the decline of Anthracite coal production, throughout the prior decade even in the face of gradually increasing prices. This was THE major source of power and motive force during the decade. I know that the U.S. was a major exporter of coal at this time. Are you aware of any statistics regarding coal import/exports during and after this time period? If coal exports were dropping it could help explain why it's effects spread world wide.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/FTPROOT/coal/coal_production_review.pdf
see page 2 for a graph of production in USA from 1890-2005. Production drops from 600 million short tonnes down to 400 mt in 1930 and goes back up in 1940s. I can't find anything about global export stats over the whole time peiod.
Prodctivity per worker climbs by 4 times fom 70s through 90s due to open pit mining-shift to the west - and mechanization of underground pits- so a lack of cheap energy-diesel-post PO- will effect coal and therefore electricity production. If coal production falls back to 1960s levels due to PO then there will be a big problem for industrial economies. If millions of men have to work the pits as in previous generations then this will be expensive and inefficient and dangerous and will change the power balance towards labor.
a 1 page summary of global coal use and trade in last several decades.
http://www.worldcoal.org/assets_cm/files/PDF/coal_facts_2001.pdf
It is hard to compare coal mining with today's statisics because the development of oil/petroleum powered mining equipment in the 1940s dramatically increased productivity and made a lot of coal which was not economical to produce in the 1920s, fairly profitable after it's introduction. The economic system also converted from using anthracite coal, which compared to bituminous coal, has a higher energy content and is much easier to work with in. If you want to read about it a good book is: The Face of Decline: The Pennsylvania Anthracite Region in the Twentieth Century
so maybe mechanization will reverse itself as oil gets expensive making coal production globally cut in half or less. This could stop the accleration of GW. If as the orginal post implies some break points will not allow a long tail for oil then it will certainly be the same for coal. Most of the carbon based fuels will never be used in the linear concept proposed by GW scientists so that the GW catastrophe might be slowed down due to above ground or other complications cutting off the tail in PO Peak NG, etc.
So maybe only 50% of coal and 70% of oil and NG ever get pumped out. We could adjust our climate models considerably and adjust our expectaions of collapse timming. We could also consider that strong union movements would return controlling mining, agriculture due to high levels of manpower involved. Most collapse scenarios do not consider labor movements but just say everyone will do theri own thing in some sort of chaos. At any rate lots of new and unpredictable elements could come into play. Since labor movemtn has become weakened in USA this could tip poitics into a real radical democratic direction. Obama and the dems are clearly just another neoliberal party slightly right of center. When people have to scrap and dig themselves and mechanical construction, etc. equipment and cars are gone then worker's rights and democrats will really mean class rights. The lazy rich will not sweat. Nowadays most people sit in offices or trucks or do service jobs which are not very hard physically. This will change. Life will go from all being rich upper class(in comparison to grandpa on the farm or in the mine ) to one of hard work and real class distinction based on sweat and dirt,etc. on the body. Our mechanical slaves will be gone(also in the household).
In Pennsylvania, as the mines became less and less profitable, they were simply shut down and abandoned. The price of coal continued to increase throughout the twenties but collapsed in the thirties. Basically this left a lot of people out of work and a whole region economically devestated. In Europe, unprofitable mines were nationalized and continued to produce, however, I'm afraid that no amount of manpower can replace mechanization, because all the cheap easy coal is now out of the ground and burned.
Regarding current coal production & consumption, the US is getting close to net importer status. US net coal exports (EIA):
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/img/charts/US_coal_import_export_large.png
This data is from 2006, so we might already be net importers. So much for the possibility that coal gassification could help us.
You can see the current data at http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/mer/coal.html
What that shows is that US net coal exports actually increased in 2007 and increased further in 2008. Looks like roughly extending the graph posted by Westexas would put 2007 at about 500 trillion BTU and 2008 at about 1000 trillion BTU
Here's my hand-drawn extension off the graph which I think is a rough estimate based on monthly data through November 2008. Someone can perform the precise conversions to BTU's from production/consumption figures if they really want.
And here's the latest EIA monthly graph in million short tons - although it is difficult to read the export graph line due to scale. Exact figures are at the website.
However interestingly these figures from the EIA don't seem to match those in the BP Energy review as shown by http://mazamascience.com/OilExport/ According to that net exports decreased from 2006 to 2007 and also shows a short period of net imports around 2003 not reflected at all in the EIA figures.
Any coal industry experts about?
I noticed something on the EIA country chart. Production & consumption are in terms of tons, but net exports are in terms of BTU's. Net Exported BTU's have fallen much more sharply than tons. My guess is that we are producing and exporting lower BTU per ton coal.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_time_series.cfm?fips=US#coal
1997:
Net Exports (Million Short Tons): 60
Net Exports (Trillion BTU's): 1959
2006:
Net Exports (Million Short Tons): 47 (Down 22%)
Net Exports (Trillion BTU's): 296 (Down 85%)
If I've got my numbers right, a 1,000 Trillion BTU's is equivalent to 1,000 BCF of gas (about 18 days of current US dry gas production).
At first sight that would appear to suggest that a ton of coal in 2006 has only 1/5th the energy content as a ton in 1997. Now I know it's falling with time but there must be something else going on here. Perhaps there is some net energy being subtracted for coal production transportation or something which can make a big difference when the import/export volume is so small compared to total production as it has been for the last few years.
The different types of coal do have different amounts of heat potential.
Anthracite has 22 to 28 million Btu/ton (26 to 33 MJ/kg)
Bituminous coal ranges from 21 to 30 million Btu/ton (24 to 35 MJ/kg) on a moist, mineral-matter-free basis
Lignite coal contains 20 to 30 percent inherent moisture by weight and the heat content of lignite ranges from 9 to 17 million Btu/ton (10 to 20 MJ/kg).
The heat content of subbituminous coal ranges from 17 to 24 million Btu per ton on a moist, mineral-matter-free basis
The heat content of subbituminous coal consumed in the United States averages 17 to 18 million Btu/ton (20 to 21 MJ/kg), on the as-received basis.
(from http://www.petrolpump.co.in/energy-sources/coal.htm)
So it is posssible that we might be exporting lower quality coal. It looks like total Btus might tell you more about production than total weight.