Victoria represents pretty much the worst case senario for power generation (with the possible exception of Eastern European countries busyily burning Oil Shale). If the worst case is that an EV powered by brown coal-generated electricity produces about the same amount of CO2e as a regular oil-powered car, I consider that a win. This is because once the EV's (be they bikes, trains, passenger cars, trucks, whatever) exist, then replacing the generation infrastructure become a matter of economic lifespan.
Already in Australia a large postion of our generation infrastrucuture is approaching the point where it needs to be replaced (the average age of coal-fired plants is 35 years, iirc). Add a Carbon Tax (CPRS, ETS) on top and they may already be financially unviable. If it were made a matter of policy that coal plants were replaced with Renewables, there would be no impact on the end-user (the vehicles), as they don't care a whit about how their juice is generated.

Ideally, my preference is for people to get out of their cars and walk, ride, or use PT, but given the choice of buying an ICEV or an EV, I would suggest people take the EV option, and maybe fork out extra for some PV panels, as a hedge against ever-rising fuel costs (be they oil or coal).

According to the ABS for 2006(?), the average Aussie car goes <60km/day. This is well within range of a EV with anything more modern than old-style flooded lead-acid batteries (and FLA-equipped vehicles could concievably recharge at work/shopping centre/wherever).

If the worst case is that an EV powered by brown coal-generated electricity produces about the same amount of CO2e as a regular oil-powered car, I consider that a win.

I don't. I consider that a loss, because "either petrol or electric cars" aren't the only options. The other option is not to drive your car for that trip, or at all. To get (say) 20% less emissions, you can buy an expensive new car with 20% less emissions, or you can drive 20% less and save money.

Our trip ratio across Australia is something like 85% cars, 10% public transport, and 5% walking/cycling.

As noted by the World Health Organisation [1Mb pdf],

More than 30% of trips made in cars in Europe cover distances of less than 3 km and 50% less than 5 km. These distances can be covered within 15–20 minutes by bicycle or within 30–50 minutes by brisk walking.

The short journeys use up a disproportionate amount of fuel, so even if your six a week 5km trips to the shops are just 6x 5km = 30km of your weekly 200km of driving, they'll make up more than 30km/200km = 15% of your fuel use. This is because engines reach their peak efficiency after fifteen minutes or more of driving, and short journeys involve more stopping - your engine burning fuel for you to stay still is as inefficient as you can get.

as well as short trips, at least two-thirds of trips are discretionary. You can do without them. The following is the data of purpose of journey by car from 1992, the most recent year available for such data for Australia as a whole. [source, ABS]

  • Shopping, 25.7% of all trips, 13 minutes average trip time
  • Work, 22%, 31'
  • Social activities, 18.7%, 20'
  • Voluntary & community activities, 9.3%, 18'
  • Active leisure, 7.4%, 32'
  • Child care, 9%, 13'
  • Domestic activities, 5.4%, 16'
  • Education, 2%, 22'
  • Personal care, 0.5%, 16'
  • Passive leisure, 0.1%, 22'

We have here figures for the percentage of all trips taken for that purpose. The average time spent driving each day is 1hr27'. The average time per trip doesn't add up to this 87' because not every trip is done every day; but when the trip is taken, that's the average time of it.

Only about a third of trips (work, child care, and possibly education) are non-discretionary and more or less unavoidable, assuming zero public transport and not able to bike, walk, etc. The rest can be set aside ("passive leisure", driving just for fun) or rearranged for efficiency - shopping from distant shops can be done weekly all in one go, etc.

And of course, many of those non-discretionary trips are for short distances - my woman, for example, is living with me just 5km from work, and cycles on average twice a week (not to save fuel, but for fitness). There's also a bus she could take which drops her off right outside work. And some of the non-discretionary trips are unnecessary, for example this family has four members who all live in the same house and go to the same workplace, and drive in their four separate cars, at least two of which are fuel hogging cars. They start at different times for work, but some combination of "I'll go early and go to the gym until work starts" and "I'll go to the shops after work and wait for you to finish" ought to be manageable to at least make it 2 trips instead of 4.

So of the the 85 trips taken by car out of the 100 trips taken, about 57 are discretionary, and 28 non. Those discretionary ones aren't going to be eliminated, but it seems fair to assume they could be knocked off by a third at least, down to around 38. The non-discretionary trips, a combination of cycling and public transport and just generally having your shit together ought to knock them down a bit, let's be stingy and call it a quarter, down to 19. So now car trips are 38+19 = 57 of the total, down from 85. This would put the walking/cycling trips up a bit from 5 to 15 or so.

In this way, we get around a one-third reduction in fuel burned by cars, and improve the fitness of our rather obese nation.

Here in Melbourne, even the train network operator Connex admits they could double the number of trains running without any spending on infrastructure (just on the trains themselves, and the drivers).

While the trains here are overloaded, buses are frequently empty. That's because they run infrequently and are often late due to traffic. As purely private operators, they suffer no fines from government or public scrutiny of their performance, which as a result is crap. And no-one is responsible for co-ordinating timetables, so that for example when you get off a train a bus is waiting, or vice versa. A few painted-in bus lanes and two or three competent managers and timetablers appointed could easily handle this.

So it doesn't seem to be too ambitious to say we could double public transport's share of all trips from 10 to 20. Remembering also that the walking/cycling trips would have gone up, we end up with a ratio of

57 car trips : 20 PT trips : 15 walking/cycling trips

or 62 car: 22 PT : 16 walk/cycle

which is a considerable improvement on the current 85:10:5. And all it took was some effort and thought from the public, and a bit of spending on extra trains and a few competent managers. Which could all be achieved in a few years at most, compared to changing the entire car fleet to electric which would take... how long? And cost us how much? And require how much more spending on roads?

And as Matt says, we in Australia need to knock over our stupid coal-fired stations. That in our "sunburnt country" we don't have solar PV and thermal makes as much sense as Barbados refusing to have tourists. Once we burn the coal it's gone forever, but there is no prospect of Australia becoming less sunny in the future. You have two bank accounts, one has $100 million but no interest, the other has a $10 billion principal which you can't touch because it's 93 million miles away, but it offers $10 million a month interest, which bank account do you draw on?

Cars kill 1.2 million people worldwide annually. Wars only kill 200,000. Even if cars ran on pretty girl's smiles and their exhaust gave us vitamin C, they'd be a bad idea. As Lester Brown notes,

Each U.S. car, for example, requires on average 0.07 hectares (0.18 acres) of paved land for roads and parking space. Thus for every five cars added to the U.S. fleet, an area the size of a football field is covered with asphalt. More often than not, it is cropland that is paved simply because the flat, well-drained soils that are well suited for farming are also ideal for building roads.

[...] the U.S. area devoted to roads and parking lots covers an estimated 16 million hectares (39 million acres), almost as much as the 20 million hectares that U.S. farmers plant in wheat.

Whatever they're powered with, cars consume vast amounts of resources and land. As I said, it's a tonne of metal and plastic to transport 1.5 people. This is abombinably stupid and wasteful.

And they make our cities fugly. Below are two city scenes, one designed around cars, one designed around people on foot. Which would you rather live in?


The places with the highest real estate values for residents, and with the most tourists, are those with few or no cars, good public transport and walkable neighbourhoods. It's what people want. It's just that city planners and home builders are too lazy to give it to them.

I consider that a loss, because "either petrol or electric cars" aren't the only options. The other option is not to drive your car for that trip, or at all. To get (say) 20% less emissions, you can buy an expensive new car with 20% less emissions, or you can drive 20% less and save money.

Or you could do both, seeing as how they are not mutually exclusive whatsoever...

It's question of focus.

The problem with electric cars is that it presents "business as usual" as being sustainable. "We just all change to electric and everything's fine!"

And the fact is that it's just not so. The world simply can't sustain billions of cars, whatever they're powered with. If not oil it'll be some other resource limiting it.

Plus, they make our cities fugly.

Hi Kiashu,

Whatever they're powered with, cars consume vast amounts of resources and land. As I said, it's a tonne of metal and plastic to transport 1.5 people. This is abombinably stupid and wasteful.... places with the highest real estate values for residents, and with the most tourists, are those with few or no cars

Thinking about your comments, I wonder how do we get to the point where the average motorist will tolerate us folks who are trying to move about without cars?

This photo was taken as wife and I climbed (very slowly) up the road from Abbaye de Senanque toward Gordes in Provence, France (we were able to let him pass in a few more yards). The driver of the car did not crowd us (even though it kind of looks that way), blow the horn or use finger gestures. Here in the good old USA, I suspect we would have been subjected to all sorts of abuse - assuming the driver did not have a heart attach from road rage first.

So, I think the first step towards your vision of fewer cars, is to simply get motorists to tolerate slower vehicles on public roads - bikes, scooters, tiny cars, etc. So far, I don't see much hope for that.

I've found southern France is still one of the most tolerant places in the world for cyclist - but even there it seems to be getting less tolerant. Previously, I found Ireland was one of the best cycling places and now it is more like the the US with bigger motor vehicles, more traffic, less tolerance, etc.

My experience tells me that it is going to be a real struggle to move beyond the "great car culture".

Basically, you need to have regulations and road setups which encourage cycling. One cyclist on the road is an obstacle; fifty are just part of traffic. Once you get a sort of critical mass of cyclists around, car drivers get used to them.

Things like,
- no helmet laws
- dedicated bike lanes, with car parking between bike lane and car lane
- lights go through orange as they go to green (as well as the normal going through orange as they go to red) and allow cyclists to go at that time, so they get a head start on cars and don't get tempted to turn in front of them - or similar traffic laws
- promotional campaigns to make drivers aware of cars, and encourage potential cyclists

One city which was mostly cars in the early 1970s, but has since got themselves a lot of cycling is Copenhagen. This blog talks about it a lot.

It's not really very complicated, far less complicated than building new highways and that sort of thing. You just have to have a government which encourages rather than discourages cycling.

Your biggest problem (in achieving your ideal transition away from big auto crowded streets) will be people like some friends I work with. One lives in a high-rise condo just minutes walk from the subway station, but still drives his Beemer 740IL to work "because I can". He couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of him for that (traded in a 10 yr old GM for the BMW, so isn't "into" any status thing with it, just likes the car.) Hobby after work is playing keyboards for a local rock band, needs to haul the stuff around. Has a daughter in junior highschool, dance lessons, music etc. Very civil, up-to-date on issues, couldn't even imagine hassling a bike rider. Many are like him. Your only avenue of attack on him to get him out of the big car is cost, and to do that you'll need to hit the top economic 10% with unafordability.

No way. You'll need to come up with an alternate reality than the one you're living in.

I don't expect cars to disappear overnight.

Currently in Melbourne the trip share is 85% cars, 10% public transport, and 5% walking/cycling.

We could get that to around 60:20:20 with just a few legal changes, some bike lanes and better management of our existing public transport. And we could do it within a decade.

To get it to 40:40:20 would take bigger changes in laws, and big investment in public transport infrastructure; or rather, moving the investment from roads to rail and walkability. And this would take about a generation. That's how long it's taken in places like Copenhagen.

After that things are less clear. It may be that cities would need to be entirely redesigned, highways torn up and fields planted, I don't know. But the generation it'd take to get to 40% cars, 40% public transport and 20% walking/cycling, by that time we'll be looking at a real crunch in fossil fuel supplies. So either people like your buddy will be forced off the roads by new laws rationing, or price will restrict the numbers of people like him.

The top 10% are always going to be living wasteful lives, and will be clueless about real issues. I mean, old Obama takes 500 people with him wherever he goes, including his own kitchen staff and 200 Secret Servicemen. You can't expect a guy living like that to have a firm grasp on the urgency of certain issues.

So the other 90% change, and that's enough. Adam Smith wrote that every society has its section of idle and unproductive people who live off the work of the rest. He didn't distinguish between a bum on the street and a manager or prince. Basically the idle and unproductive, the wasteful, are just part of the friction of machinery of society. We can't do much about that. All we can do is ensure that the friction doesn't gum up the whole machine the way it's doing today.

Hi lengould,

As I've posted many times on TOD, the problem is the "problem". Your friend, who sounds like a decent ordinary guy, simply does not believe there is an urgent problem with the availability of oil now or in the foreseeable future. If he really did, he would be very worried about the quality of life for his daughter beyond getting to dance lessons. But, I'd guess that he hears all the disinformation about how technology using "abundant" natural gas, clean coal, alternate energy, etc is going to take care of god's choosen specie.

I live in one of the most affluent counties in the US (I think number 18 to 20 of highest income). Although, I've helped get a very nice recreation trail paved, I've made almost zero progress in provisions for general utility cycling on public roads - hardly anyone here thinks there is a problem with oil supply - and these are supposed to be "smart" folks.