I think blogs may be a safety valve against groupthink, bias and political conformism. You can make strong claims on blogs and you'll either be howled down or help change the consensus view. For example I think it was TOD that effectively blew the whistle on corn ethanol as a silver bullet.

I was astounded how quickly lobbyists were able to water down Australia's cap-and-trade scheme due to start next year. Despite a lengthy enquiry and hundreds of submissions that all counted for little when the suits hit town. Thanks to blogs there is now a back swing against this interference. Blogs help sharpen the arguments so politicians and the wider public can understand the issues. Clearly blogs have an essential role to play.

The credit crisis did much more to kill corn ethanol than TOD ever did. We posted the facts and the reasons, but it took the facts themselves to manifest to stop the corn ethanol hype (and it still hasn't stopped).

Several years ago Congress ended decades of Federally funded tobacco subsidies. Perhaps someday they will see clearly to end ethanol subsidies also.

EDITORS NOTE: Next Saturday's campfire will be a companion piece to this one -topic will be "WHAT changes are you making individually, within your community, and nationally, globally?". HOMEWORK - please prepare something (relatively short) to share, if appropriate, for next week...;-) (I will be traveling).

Are 'we' just to contribute in the comments, or somehow in the top section?

comments. WAY too much work otherwise...;-)

Hi; a distribution of probabilities, indeed.

  • At one extreme, fusion-powered nanotech hyper-AI technological event horizon (even if "the future is here, it's just not evenly distributed" - w. gibson )
  • In the red corner, orlovian stage 5, mad-max, sudden mass crash, cannibalism, liebig minima.

Bewtixt the two lie :

  • return to permanent growth
  • BAU, boom-bust business as usual
  • very slow decline, permanent mild recession
  • .. and the orlovian stages 1..4

But what are the odds?

We are clearly in Orlov-stage-1 now, and risk stage-2 if growth returns and energy prices spike up again.
There's no sign of a return to long-term growth, and people like Roubini suggest the odds favour a long-term depression.
I'd give the techno-nirvana scenario slim odds, though keeping an eye on what happens with Brussard's polywell.
The ecological models of overshoot and collapse seem strongly predictive, otherwise, and support the gloomier outlooks.

I think the systems are so complex with so many types of feedback and gaming going on that any certainty would be an illusion.

But at the same time there's real risks of the ride getting pretty rough.

All these projections inform our courses of action.

Nate's question boils down to, how certain would we need to be of gloomier projections to change our plans?
Or analogously, how steep will it get before we change gear?
Perhaps we don't have too many gears; maybe just

  1. sell up and book round-world hiking trip
  2. work, save, skill-up
  3. cower in bunker

- as a set of routines to stick to.
Outside of routines, there's reactions to events that can't be dealt with by routine; storm, flood, war, etc.

So in summary, I think we'll mostly stick to a middle-outcome-appropriate routine until we have something intrusive to react to.

0.02; j

Hey,Boof,have you read the current Quarterly Essay - "Quarry Vision" by Guy Pearse?

I was familiar,in principle,with a lot of the content of this essay.
But I found this a very difficult read because it made me extremely angry.The moral corruption of the Australian hierarchy is enough to make me vomit,and I've got a strong stomach from years of exposure to some very unpleasant sights.

Highly recommended to save you from some future "astounding"revelations.