I find this post interesting as my Wife and Daughter head off to church. My Wife asked me this morning, "so why is it that you don't go?" I had to state that I wasn't interested in being part of a system where the core fundamental principle is belief in the teachings of a guy who I don't think was actually anything special. All that aside I'm thinking I might give it a try. The value of the social network might be worth it. I behave ethically, I don't need any all-powerful threats to do so but I'm thinking my boys might benefit from a few more examples as well. I like the idea of the post, it seems well considered.

If one believes that the purpose of life is to serve others, nothing can take it away--not even peak oil or AGW. If the purpose of life is accumulating more toys, peak oil is a real threat. It can change a person's outlook on life.

Interesting --- needless to say, there is so much you can do and so much you can go about against the mad crowd. Jesus was nailed on the cross for some reason.

New Orleans post Katrina showed us of what to come. People will form groups to "maximize" their chance of survival. It's probably better to start thinking of forming some group now instead of when TSHTF -- like someone mentioned of start going to church to begin this threading process.

"If one believes that the purpose of life is to serve others, nothing can take it away--not even peak oil or AGW. If the purpose of life is accumulating more toys, peak oil is a real threat."

Wow, Gail; that's beautiful. I've added it to the collection from which a random signature goes on the end of my email.

Would you like to come live on our island?

...in the teachings of a guy who I don't think was actually anything special.

Whether or not he was special should not influence whether or not any of his alleged teachings have any value. (This is a distinction based on the idea of separating the sin from the sinner, or the author from the words.)

If you take a look at the Sermon on the Mount, for example, it may have some useful ideas, like Blessed are the Peacemakers (or mediators).

Having said that, I must say that I am one of those who thinks that it is highly likely that there was no such creature, that Jesus Christ is the evolutionary result of an imaginary god called Hesu Krishna invented by Constantine. (Look at religious history to see how distorted are our current belief system origins and claims.) I also find the Sermon on the Mount to be a confused mishmash of a number of entirely different belief systems, theistic and pagan, that were extant around the time it was compiled (300AD or so?).

Hi Nate,

I'd like to relate a story to you. My father was an abused child, who would have been killed by his stepfather, had he not been saved by Dorothea, his high school English teacher. She recognized a child in distress and he lived with her until he graduated from Stanford. She also rescued may other creatures both men and beasts. The men included Derry who became the editor of Stanford’s Mark Twain collection; Ted who helped design project Mercury’s heat shield; Morey, whose hard-scramble parents thought school was for suckers, but when to college because of her and became one of the principal designers of modern satellite communications, Chief engineer for Voice of America, and later Director of Whitehouse Communications; and my father, who went into television.

Raised by Dorothea with a strong sense of moral and social duty, he felt that broadcasting was a privilege, and that TV stations had an obligation to help the less fortunate. As a result, he hired the first woman newscaster (KPIX), read the first on-air editorial and asked for public response, hired the first black TV anchor man and woman in the nation (WTOP, DC.), pioneered children’s educational shows, and produced the first TV documentary on urban blight and decay. One night, while returning from a TV conference, he found himself sitting next to the producer of "The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau", who was under enormous pressure to cut it because its ratings were below expectations. He spent the entire flight lobbying him to keep it, because it was a moral responsibility. Fortunately, the producer decided to keep the show, which became a springboard for the Cousteau Society and a large portion of the environmental movement.

The reason I mention all of this is because Dorothea referred to herself as a Christina woman, and went to church every Sunday. I don't recall her every telling a story or a quote from the Bible, she certainly lived the best parts of it. She said it gave her guidance and the strength to do what was right. Sometimes the stars align so that good things happen, and Dorothea was one of these.

Mark Anthony’s eulogy for Julius Caesar is often quoted as representative of today’s society, “The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones”. I disagree. Disasters and violence grab our attention because they are dramatic, but they are not what lasts. Every day I see Dorothea’s influence on the world, and so to for the thousands of other men and women like her whose kindness and dedication is reflected in the good deeds we do to help each other and why society and civility, against all odds, perseveres.

Thank you Pragmatic, that was lovely. We may not, as a species, be able to creatively address the global predicaments that confront us, but we can, as individuals, make a difference in each other's lives.

Hi Pragmatic,

Yes, thank you for sharing this. Has anyone written up this account? (It sounds a little bit familiar.)

It also reminds me I want to try to get in touch with a woman I met a year ago at a social gathering. People were talking about "what they did", and she said something along the lines of "I had one son, and then I raised 7 boys." (i.e, not her own.) Somebody asked her why, and she said "Because they needed raising."

I've often wondered how amazing it is that there can be such a wide range of people in the world. What I'm thinking of...is people I've met who are like Dorothea. I mean, just so compassionate and giving. And, doing this in situations where no one would ever know, for example, taking care of an elderly person in a nursing home or something. Just in situations where no one sees, and pretty much no one cares.

And then, there are people who live so much the opposite kind of lives, and probably themselves don't know that the other kind even exists.

People are not good because they are religious, but good people often turn to religion because it gives expression to their ideals, and enables them to contact other good people
From a more pragmatic point of view, a society where people are accustomed to help each other is a stronger society than one where everyone is out for themselves and the devil take the hindmost. This is shown up in natural disasters; very few people died in Cuba because of the hurricanes that have battered the country in recent years, but we can see the results of a selfish society in Katrina in our country, and the disasters in Haiti. Unfortunately in our society, what is good for society (cooperation) is often not rewarded as much as selfishness is. IMO, this is the result of our system of ruthless capitalist competition.

From the same religion came the Inquisition, justification for slavery, religious wars of all sorts etc. Dorothea internalized the best of Christianity, just as some internalize the best of the Muslim faith or Buddhism, or Communist philosophy. When I stopped being a Christian I did not change any value of behavior towards other people. Why there are Dorthea's and also Hitler's in the world is not explained by religion as both the good and the evil can be found within or without religion. It was the good in Dorthea that let her select the good in the Bible and it was the evil in the hearts of the slave owners that let them select the biblical justification for slavery.

Hi Oxidatedgem,

Excellent observations and I completely agree. When John Dean (Nixon's lawyer who told congress what had happened in the Watergate scandal) was attacked and vilified by the up and coming Neocon's, he was confused. Like Jason Bourne in the movie series, he had fallen off of the map, and was not involved in politics or anything that could be perceived as threatening. In determining why he had been singled out by them, he discovered a branch of psychology that deals with authoritarian personalities.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality

He found that the Neocon’s had many of the characteristics of Super Authoritarians and social dominators. This group uses words like “Predator” to describe themselves and “weak, pathetic” to describe those they dominate. While they tend to be conservative, they can be leftist too (Stalin, Mao, Ceauşescu), and uses any philosophy they can to control others. While religion is one of the primary ones, various political and social ones are used as well. A reformed Super Authoritarian once told me that in her prime, if she was not in charge, someone was going to get hurt. She also said she was as sensitive to the slightest perceived loss in power as any of us would be to being unable to breath.

This cycles back to Gail’s central theme, which is the balance between our guiding beliefs (theories) and principals. We must persevere in our beliefs (peak oil, resource limitations, global warming, achieving sustainability, etc.) to achieve results. However if perseverance becomes dogmatism, and our theories become unassailable internal realities, then we will eventually be wrong. However, if our principals are to continually reevaluate our beliefs against external realities, then what we believe will (more closely) reflect the real world.

You do realize that historically the greatest reason for the end of slavery was Christianity? Men like Wilberforce, Gordon and Livingstone to name just a few struggled and frequently died to outlaw slavery. Slavery in historic times was practiced by all societies (including athiest societies such as under Hitler and Stalin).
BTW the typical Western view of slavery was the African slave trade of the 15th to 20th centuries but this involved Christians taking slaves in fewer than 5% of the total. The main 2 groups taking slaves were tribalists (inter tribal wars and local chiefs selling off excess stock) and Arab slave raiders. Whoever was involved (Christian, Muslim, animist, athiest) the trade was abhorrent; the example I always think of was 2 men in upper Egypt in the 1840's who worked for Mohammed Ali, in just a few years their work involved crushing the nuts of 40,000 freshly taken Sudanese men by banging 2 rocks together.

The Bible doesn't speak out against slavery. Paul even exhorts slaves to be obedient to their masters. People of good heart who were Christian helped stop slavery. They had to infer from the life of Jesus that slavery was wrong as the Bible was not guide here and was easily put to use to endorse slavery, apartheid, genocide of American Indians etc etc etc.

"Passages from the Christian Scriptures which Sanction Slavery.

Neither Jesus nor St. Paul, nor any other Biblical figure is recorded as saying anything in opposition to the institution of slavery. Slavery was very much a part of life in Palestine and in the rest of the Roman Empire during New Testament times. Quoting Rabbi M.J. Raphall, circa 1861, "Receiving slavery as one of the conditions of society, the New Testament nowhere interferes with or contradicts the slave code of Moses; it even preserves a letter [to Philemon] written by one of the most eminent Christian teachers [St. Paul] to a slave owner on sending back to him his runaway slave." 1"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl2.htm

Their is a hospital for the mentally ill in Raleigh, NC. Its named Dorothea Dix. Or once was some time back when I lived there.

Any connection?

Airdale

Not that I am aware of. Her last name was Kauffman, and she grew up in the hill surrounding San Francisco.

The Unitarian Universalists get to claim Dorothea Dix, the pathbreaker in establishing the beginning of American mental health hospital/treatment programs.

Ahhh...I often wondered. It was as I recall rather well thought of at the time.

Thanks for that info.

Airdale