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Hi Gail,
You have been very prolific lately and done some good stuff.
This Gas market scares me. We are on the brink of possible collapse of the Free Market system, and (by Kunstler) at the tipping point of our whole way of life. Nothing in our future will ever be the same again, no matter which way it goes.
Our not so free market is still playing the Supply and demand fantasy for selling cheap natural gas.
We all acknowledge "Peak Oil" and say that gas will follow within a decade. We have to be insane to try to adhere to our cheap natural gas pricing regime when we know that cheap prices will deplete it sooner than later.
When NG is gone we are screwed industrially. Olduvai will be a reality.
We are being given one last chance to change our natural gas consumption model. Once we actually start a recovery, the next shock will be "the Big one" when all the Free Market Capitalists have to burn their money to stay warm.
Graham
I agree that gas is key, but we have a problem that no one realizes what potential is available, if someone would work to make the natural gas market work properly. We have a huge number of natural gas producers who are putting rigs down, because at this price it makes no sense to drill.
In many ways, the natural gas market is similar to agriculture. It needs stable prices for producers to make intelligent investment decisions. But no one in governmental office has figured this out. In fact, natural gas is considered one of the "bad" carbon emitters by some, even though it is a lot better than coal (assuming one can keep leaks to a minimum).
I think a cap and trade program will tend to shift electricity production from coal to natural gas. I don't see it having much effect on wind, because capital requirements are so high, and there are few firms with the "tax appetite" for the tax credits that are theoretically available to wind and solar, but in practice have limited applicability. Also, wind needs 5% interest rates (plus tax credits) to be competitive. Such low interest rates are (sort of) available now, but it is hard to see how interest rates can be kept at the artificially low levels where they are currently, long term.
If electricity production shifts from coal to natural gas, this won't help US energy availability--it will still go down. Oil consumption will decline; natural gas will increase, but as a substitute for reduced coal production; and wind will not increase very much.
I don't see nuclear increasing much either, because of the high up front costs, the fact that electrical consumption is not now growing, and the lack of large scale government programs to finance additional nuclear production.
"I don't see nuclear increasing much either, ..." maybe not in the USA but China has 12 nuclear power reactors under construction, and at least 12 more about to start construction in 2009. Technology has been imported from France, Canada, Russia and USA. The country aims to become self-sufficient in reactor design and construction.
Russia has 7 under construction, India has 6 under construction and aims to supply 25% of electricity from nuclear power by 2050 and has a vision of becoming a world leader in nuclear technology due to its expertise in fast reactors and thorium fuel cycle. Italy plans to build new nuclear power plants by 2013, the UK will replace its existing plants and increase production by 50%...
You are right. I am talking about US nuclear. Nuclear around the world is increasing. The latest article I remember seeing talked about a total of three new US nuclear plants being likely in the nearish future. Others are being put on hold for one reason or other.