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Count Jatropha as another silver bb. It seems jatropha does well for the very people who were being priced out of the market when oil was at $145/bbl. It also requires decentralized production, in states such as the subsaharan region where the people have been victimized by centralized, state control of resources.
While it would have been a nice for jatropha to be capable of mass production, I see a small miracle in a plant which can be grown by any farmer, and turned into usable equivalent of diesel fuel without significant outside inputs, for a whole section of the world's population which had been excluded from the benefits of a fossil fuel driven society.
It's a good point. The trick is in not letting 'Big Oil/AG' steamroll local farmers and herders, as is happening in some marginal lands across India. It might be a balance that impossible to hold.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/jatropha-production-expands-indi...
In a YesMagazine interview with Vandana Shiva, there is a helpful series of descriptions of how these 'Marginal Land Crops' will very likely yield more poverty and loss..
http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=570
Bob
Well said - I was just logging in to say exactly the same thing as you were posting that. In fact, you could argue that these people living on "marginal lands" have far more to offer us, in terms of learning how to live within our available resources, than we could possibly gain by shoving them aside to grow aviation fuel.
I think you've hit this nail on the head. Our biofuel hunting adventure is just another exercise in finding who and what to exploit next. There is little thought given to our own fuel junkie lifestyle and it's moral issues. As long as we can keep the habit going anything is fair game.
Hear, hear!
Balloons, I say! That should be our Hydrogen Transport solution..
I don't mind the idea of a bit of 'grow your own', or some harvesting of long rows along the highways and rail-lines.. but it's just inevitable that this gets seen as a new 'Play' for some industry to make a 'perfectly legal' stab at.. and grow fast and loose over those who can't say no.
well said.back to your comment about cow tongue and eggs a couple of articles back.believe it or not i had never heard that one.you do know that there are only TWO places in the world where you can get geniune ham ,right?
Alright.. I'm reverting to city-boy, here. Would that be left and right cheeks?
Point well made. I think we all agree here that it is possible to power jet Aircraft with biofuels but that BioFuel is not going to sustain it when the price of Jet fuel goes trough the roof when depletion hits proper.
I agree that the future for biofuel is for local use not fueling airplanes or SUV's. Jatropha can give small rural farmers the possibility to produce a diesel fuel substitute localy to power their small cultivatators, rotavators and prevent us sliding back to using only oxen/horses subsistenance farming. The processed oil has more uses and does not need to be kept and fed trought out the winter.
Spark-ignition engines fed by gasogenes can run on most anything combustible. You don't need to go to the trouble of growing a seed crop you can press for oil, wood chips are sufficient. It is also possible to gasify bio-oil to run an engine, and bio-oil can be made from many more feedstocks than just seeds; wood is a prime raw material, and I would bet that straw, corncobs and grasses are suitable if properly dried and pulverized.