I think you're right Termoil, I can't see that electric vehicles are going to make a major impact soon in Australia or here in the UK. At a time that the country is in a recession and they are talking about reducing public expenditure - who is going to pay for the infrastructure to make them practical/usable apart from in city centres?
Here in UK we've been paying around £1 (A$ 2) a litre petrol/£1.05 (A$ 2.10)diesel for a couple of years now with a spike last year when world oil was at $140+ a barrel of £1.32 (A$2.65) for diesel. There was a bit of a reduction in miles driven at the peak and a lot of public outcry but it quickly went back 'to normal' as prices dropped. I'm personally still driving 20,000 miles a year (two thirds/12k miles is just getting to work). So 'slow/steady' rises do seem to be absorbed. If oil goes to $200 a barrel then by looking at past ratios I estimate that our prices will go up to around £1.80-£1.90 level (A$3.60-A$3.80). If this happens in the near future/quickly (18mths) it is going to be a major headache as our society isn't ready but I'm sure we will cope as a lot of people can reduce their mileage dramatically and relatively easily without reducing their quality of life (flexible working from home, working the week over 4 days rather than 5, lift sharing, public transport, reducing travel speed, getting a more efficient car (my present one only does 45mpg)). I know I can, and am working on my lifestyle/behaviour now to try an stay ahead of the price rises.
Farestbob, "who is going to pay for the infrastructure to make them practical/usable apart from in city centres?
What infrastructure? all you need is an outdoor 220 or 240 V outlet(110V in US). Most car ports and garages already have them, if not easy to install.
Your 20km drive to work( 40km round trip) can be handled by all EV's, and most PHEV can at least do the one-way trip in electric mode. Sounds like you could be saving a lot using an electric vehicle if petrol goes to higher than $3/L. In the meantime you can do what I did in the US in the 1070's car pool with 2 or 3 others, until your back-ordered EV arrives, car pooling is the fastest conservation measure if mass transit is not available.
Neil
The other change we need to put in place is timed metering. The system would struggle to handle the load peak at 6.00pm if we had a significant proportion of EVs.
Ideally recharging would occur during the day where it could be matched by solar generation, but the infrastructure associated with both the demand and supply would take many years to put in place. The immediate solution is timed metering to houses and payment of off peak rates for charging at night. This is relatively simple to impliment and could be rolled out progressively with the uptake of EVs.
I think you're right Termoil, I can't see that electric vehicles are going to make a major impact soon in Australia or here in the UK. At a time that the country is in a recession and they are talking about reducing public expenditure - who is going to pay for the infrastructure to make them practical/usable apart from in city centres?
Here in UK we've been paying around £1 (A$ 2) a litre petrol/£1.05 (A$ 2.10)diesel for a couple of years now with a spike last year when world oil was at $140+ a barrel of £1.32 (A$2.65) for diesel. There was a bit of a reduction in miles driven at the peak and a lot of public outcry but it quickly went back 'to normal' as prices dropped. I'm personally still driving 20,000 miles a year (two thirds/12k miles is just getting to work). So 'slow/steady' rises do seem to be absorbed. If oil goes to $200 a barrel then by looking at past ratios I estimate that our prices will go up to around £1.80-£1.90 level (A$3.60-A$3.80). If this happens in the near future/quickly (18mths) it is going to be a major headache as our society isn't ready but I'm sure we will cope as a lot of people can reduce their mileage dramatically and relatively easily without reducing their quality of life (flexible working from home, working the week over 4 days rather than 5, lift sharing, public transport, reducing travel speed, getting a more efficient car (my present one only does 45mpg)). I know I can, and am working on my lifestyle/behaviour now to try an stay ahead of the price rises.
Farestbob,
"who is going to pay for the infrastructure to make them practical/usable apart from in city centres?
What infrastructure? all you need is an outdoor 220 or 240 V outlet(110V in US). Most car ports and garages already have them, if not easy to install.
Your 20km drive to work( 40km round trip) can be handled by all EV's, and most PHEV can at least do the one-way trip in electric mode. Sounds like you could be saving a lot using an electric vehicle if petrol goes to higher than $3/L. In the meantime you can do what I did in the US in the 1070's car pool with 2 or 3 others, until your back-ordered EV arrives, car pooling is the fastest conservation measure if mass transit is not available.
Neil
The other change we need to put in place is timed metering. The system would struggle to handle the load peak at 6.00pm if we had a significant proportion of EVs.
Ideally recharging would occur during the day where it could be matched by solar generation, but the infrastructure associated with both the demand and supply would take many years to put in place. The immediate solution is timed metering to houses and payment of off peak rates for charging at night. This is relatively simple to impliment and could be rolled out progressively with the uptake of EVs.