As someone who has lived in New Zealand, and is married to a New Zealander, I can confirm that many Americans imagine that NZ would be a place that would solve for the laundry list of problems headed our way. If I agreed with this I would have moved there already. But frankly, I don't see it. So I agree with the spirit of this post--which I take to mean, beware of surrounding one's prospective solutions with too much certainty. It's possible, for example, that Wisconsin or Alberta will be much better places to tough out the coming changes. And yes, it's also possible that NZ will be an excellent place too.
It's very, very rare to find a society on the country level that is willing to grapple with the future in sober fashion--and, that will be able to effect changes through those realizations through the political process. The US currently, and California in particular, suddenly look like exactly the wrong scale to make such changes--even if the society were able to address them. No doubt the size of NZ gives people the impression that it would be easier to get things done there. Well, I can assure everyone that denial, intractability, stubborness, and a steep discount of the future (Hagens) are alive and well in NZ. In fact, given some of the cultural heritage from Britain, some of these traits may be even more pronounced.
I highly recommend John McPhee's book on Alaska, which shows what can happen when alot of people who think they are escaping a problem settle down amongst each other. That said, there is no question that many parts of NZ will solve for a good chunk of the laundry list, typical to those of us thinking about water, food, and energy. NZ would indeed be an excellent place to do your own thing. But I wouldn't count on Wellington to provide any kind of special or insightful action until the problems are well advanced. FWIW, this is also the view of most of my contacts in NZ. A nice of example of the realities, vs the dreams, of NZ can be found in the public transport disaster that defines Auckland, and the country's proposal to solve by building--yep you guessed it--a massive new highway.
I almost moved to NZ in 2005 as a way to escape the impending financial crisis which obviously was going to be centered in the US. Result? Global financial crisis with no escape anywhere. And while Austral-Asia still looks "pretty good" I have recently started to become quite concerned about China starting in the next 3-5 years.
I love New Zealand. I may move there still, but, it would be with the knowledge that there are no closed systems anymore and while NZ my solve for half the list of coming problems it will be very hard work nevertheless.
How is the supersizing of Aukland going. It was announced during my visit--the NZ Herald published my letter in opposition to it. I think the driving force behind the move was to facilitate the construction of "super" highways--colossal stupidity.
From my slightly cynical point of view, the current government is doing whatever it can to remove all traces of resilience prior to the issue of peak oil and other savory issues becoming household knowledge.
The current government is starting to show glimpses of the kind of behavior that got the last national government voted out for 9 years. Yes there seems to be a lot of emphasis on roads, and not a lot on creating a functioning, inclusive and equitable society.
Lots of really good community based education programs are getting the chop this year as an example.
There is however a lot of really good people rallying to the cause, and because we're effectively 20 years behind the rest of the "developed world" some of the issues we have are not irretrievable. The fishing is pretty good within sight of the CBD for example.
To compound things the community is a bit behind the very meager bits of sustainability based policy as well. Yesterday a friend and I planted a good crop of winter beans, spring onions, leeks and carrots in a garden, especially made for the local community about six months ago in a beautiful park and completely unused since. Surrounded by infill housing with no garden space. Its got about 120m2 of beautiful raised beds, piped water, glorious soil, concreted paths and no one from the surrounding houses has planted anything. It must of cost a fortune to build. We hope our plantings will inspire some of the local householders to plant some stuff and look after it. About 20 mins on the bike away, but couldn't resist the idea to plant something.
My feeling is that like a lot of cities the world, it will turn out to be quite a shock when the general populace realise how badly designed they really are.
"It's possible, for example, that Wisconsin or Alberta will be much better places to tough out the coming changes."
I don't think there is any one ideal place. Alberta has a cool dry climate with lots of petroleum and agriculture, but in the winter when it goes to -35C for a week I listen to my furnace running and try not to think of next month's natural gas bill. Other places don't get winter but they have brutal humidity (never mentioned in radio forecasts here because always dry), summer heat (we don't need air conditioners in Calgary), hurricanes (we get blizzards but they don't require evacuating cities), earthquakes (we are on a stable geosyncline), and kleptocratic governments (one reason the oilsands are so popular is because Alberta doesn't nationalize like Venezuela). No matter where you live, there's always something.
If you are whining about -35, then you have a house that is TOO big, and you don't know anything about superinsulation.
Living in the extremes is quite doable with current tech, not really that expensive, a person just needs to get over the "four squares" type of house crappola drilled into their heads.
Live as a part of Nature, not as a modern day Consumer. You will soon, whether you like it or not.
Would love to hear more about NZ as this does seem a very attractive place.
Water, food and energy pretty well positioned to navigate future disruptions. Increased west coast rainfall long term, decent ag and tremendous renewable energy resources in hydro and wind. V. low corruption. Apparently low fraction of religous zealots. Existing N-S rail line. Would never assume that it is any easier to get things done, just that some of the inherent advantages mitigate difficulty of dealing with change.
Excluding distance from family, biggest negatives that jump out from my 9000 mile view are
- high property values urban & rural
- purchasing power parity about 60% of USA
- PO & GW resilience
- Food security
- Water security
- Community response to economic crash
- and a healthy, non-survivalist approach to building a future which has one
As someone who has lived in New Zealand, and is married to a New Zealander, I can confirm that many Americans imagine that NZ would be a place that would solve for the laundry list of problems headed our way. If I agreed with this I would have moved there already. But frankly, I don't see it. So I agree with the spirit of this post--which I take to mean, beware of surrounding one's prospective solutions with too much certainty. It's possible, for example, that Wisconsin or Alberta will be much better places to tough out the coming changes. And yes, it's also possible that NZ will be an excellent place too.
It's very, very rare to find a society on the country level that is willing to grapple with the future in sober fashion--and, that will be able to effect changes through those realizations through the political process. The US currently, and California in particular, suddenly look like exactly the wrong scale to make such changes--even if the society were able to address them. No doubt the size of NZ gives people the impression that it would be easier to get things done there. Well, I can assure everyone that denial, intractability, stubborness, and a steep discount of the future (Hagens) are alive and well in NZ. In fact, given some of the cultural heritage from Britain, some of these traits may be even more pronounced.
I highly recommend John McPhee's book on Alaska, which shows what can happen when alot of people who think they are escaping a problem settle down amongst each other. That said, there is no question that many parts of NZ will solve for a good chunk of the laundry list, typical to those of us thinking about water, food, and energy. NZ would indeed be an excellent place to do your own thing. But I wouldn't count on Wellington to provide any kind of special or insightful action until the problems are well advanced. FWIW, this is also the view of most of my contacts in NZ. A nice of example of the realities, vs the dreams, of NZ can be found in the public transport disaster that defines Auckland, and the country's proposal to solve by building--yep you guessed it--a massive new highway.
I almost moved to NZ in 2005 as a way to escape the impending financial crisis which obviously was going to be centered in the US. Result? Global financial crisis with no escape anywhere. And while Austral-Asia still looks "pretty good" I have recently started to become quite concerned about China starting in the next 3-5 years.
I love New Zealand. I may move there still, but, it would be with the knowledge that there are no closed systems anymore and while NZ my solve for half the list of coming problems it will be very hard work nevertheless.
G
Terrible place NZ, highly overrated
The people are really unfriendly, it's crowded, the climate is shite.
V unfertile soils.
Hardly any high ground to escape the rising sea levels.
Great coffee though, and the occasional good wine.
The Caribbean is a much better place to tough out the arrival of the horsemen....
I'd go there.
/sarcasm
(anyone who wants to come on down and help build some kind of functional public transport would be very welcome though)
I was with you on the sarcasm bit until you got to the coffee. I fell in love with a "flat white" and nobody in the US even knows what it is.
Hi Debbie,
Not all of that post was ironic..
I think you may have stumbled on a bit of the truth. The "though" should have helped you out...
Currently trying to get down to two flat whites a day...
Maybe with a bit more warming we'll be able to grow our own coffee. The nearest of any note is about 1500 miles away at the moment.(Queensland)
I still wonder if it would be worth planting some mango trees. Would my grandchildren be thanking me long after I've gone?
Hmmm,
cheers.
How is the supersizing of Aukland going. It was announced during my visit--the NZ Herald published my letter in opposition to it. I think the driving force behind the move was to facilitate the construction of "super" highways--colossal stupidity.
Hi Debbie,
Thanks for replying.
From my slightly cynical point of view, the current government is doing whatever it can to remove all traces of resilience prior to the issue of peak oil and other savory issues becoming household knowledge.
The current government is starting to show glimpses of the kind of behavior that got the last national government voted out for 9 years. Yes there seems to be a lot of emphasis on roads, and not a lot on creating a functioning, inclusive and equitable society.
Lots of really good community based education programs are getting the chop this year as an example.
There is however a lot of really good people rallying to the cause, and because we're effectively 20 years behind the rest of the "developed world" some of the issues we have are not irretrievable. The fishing is pretty good within sight of the CBD for example.
To compound things the community is a bit behind the very meager bits of sustainability based policy as well. Yesterday a friend and I planted a good crop of winter beans, spring onions, leeks and carrots in a garden, especially made for the local community about six months ago in a beautiful park and completely unused since. Surrounded by infill housing with no garden space. Its got about 120m2 of beautiful raised beds, piped water, glorious soil, concreted paths and no one from the surrounding houses has planted anything. It must of cost a fortune to build. We hope our plantings will inspire some of the local householders to plant some stuff and look after it. About 20 mins on the bike away, but couldn't resist the idea to plant something.
My feeling is that like a lot of cities the world, it will turn out to be quite a shock when the general populace realise how badly designed they really are.
Cheers,
Ben.
"It's possible, for example, that Wisconsin or Alberta will be much better places to tough out the coming changes."
I don't think there is any one ideal place. Alberta has a cool dry climate with lots of petroleum and agriculture, but in the winter when it goes to -35C for a week I listen to my furnace running and try not to think of next month's natural gas bill. Other places don't get winter but they have brutal humidity (never mentioned in radio forecasts here because always dry), summer heat (we don't need air conditioners in Calgary), hurricanes (we get blizzards but they don't require evacuating cities), earthquakes (we are on a stable geosyncline), and kleptocratic governments (one reason the oilsands are so popular is because Alberta doesn't nationalize like Venezuela). No matter where you live, there's always something.
If you are whining about -35, then you have a house that is TOO big, and you don't know anything about superinsulation.
Living in the extremes is quite doable with current tech, not really that expensive, a person just needs to get over the "four squares" type of house crappola drilled into their heads.
Live as a part of Nature, not as a modern day Consumer. You will soon, whether you like it or not.
Would love to hear more about NZ as this does seem a very attractive place.
Water, food and energy pretty well positioned to navigate future disruptions. Increased west coast rainfall long term, decent ag and tremendous renewable energy resources in hydro and wind. V. low corruption. Apparently low fraction of religous zealots. Existing N-S rail line. Would never assume that it is any easier to get things done, just that some of the inherent advantages mitigate difficulty of dealing with change.
Excluding distance from family, biggest negatives that jump out from my 9000 mile view are
- high property values urban & rural
- purchasing power parity about 60% of USA
What else am I missing?
Hi BKelly
Check out this NZ village for:
- PO & GW resilience
- Food security
- Water security
- Community response to economic crash
- and a healthy, non-survivalist approach to building a future which has one
www.atamai.co.nz
Kind regards
JH