It is a little fuzzy how much of a limiting factor natural gas is.

If one is doing mining with an upgrader (as Syncrude does), the upgrader produces natural gas and other gasses that can be used as part of the energy requirement of mining. With some fine-tuning, this process could probably be adjusted so that all of the energy requirement could be met with self-produced petroleum products.

Mining with an upgrader also produces coke that is quite polluted. At this point, this material is just buried. There may be some possibility of cleaning this up for use (but this would be a pretty carbon intensive fuel.)

In situ production as it is currently done uses natural gas, but other approaches are being explored. One approach is burning some of the bitumen itself to provide the heat for melting the bitumen, for example with Toe to Heel Air Injection, a method currently being evaluated. Another approach under development uses electrical induction.

Between these various approaches, it seems likely that natural gas is not as much of a limiting factor as we have thought it to be. Availability of capital may be a more important limiting factor.

It is a little fuzzy how much of a limiting factor natural gas is.

It's only a limiting factor for those thinking inside the box. In reality, what they need is a source of process heat. They can get this from natural gas, they can get it from coal, they can get it by burning the heavy ends of the bitumen, or they can get it from nuclear reactors. The possibilities are many and diverse.

They burn natural gas because it's relatively cheap, easy to use, and available locally. If it ceases to be those things, they can switch (with a little difficulty) to something else.

Gail,

Natural gas is limiting only so far as the current economics make it. There are PLENTY of alternative approaches that would/could/will be used if the price of Natural Gas increases. It is also worth noting that there is natural gas produced from the bitumen when it is exposed to heat. The in-situ mining process generates a fair bit of it.

There is also the syngas approach using the petroleum coke that has been used in one form or another for a hundred years. (adding water to carbon and generating H2 and ultimately CH4 which can be added to the bitumen to produce lighter crudes or used directly as fuel). You are correct that they are "carbon-intensive", but when "people are freezing in the dark" through lack of access to fossil fuels, they will be happy to have these processes available!!

Unfortunately, I think you are all too correct in all of your other (excellent and prescient) statements about the politics of the oil sands. However, I think I should add that Albertans naturally feel a certain affinity for Americans as they tend to have a "cowboy culture" themselves. I would think that it would be very very difficult for Albertans to consider "cutting off" the Americans from access to the Oil Sands. Also, the political difficulties in "re-negotiating NAFTA" are HUGE. I have trouble imaging that any Canadian government would seriously consider that. The economies of the two countries are just TOO intertwined. Of course, Albertans are business people too and you can be sure that China will be given the choice of importing Alberta oil as well!! I am sure that they will gladly accept. I would expect that Albertans would gladly use that leverage (the Chinese importation) to get a better deal from the US.

Technology improvements are already available (e.g. "wet combustion") that would allow the tailing pond waters to be combusted and the napthenic acids with them. It is just the current economics and conservatism of the industry that prevents their adoption.

Ian

Thanks for your perspectives. In some future world, if one wanted to put together an area with both oil and food, it seems like an area extending from the plains states up to Alberta would work. So maybe there is potential for some long-term synergy.

In the meantime, I don't know what the real direction of trade/free trade will be. With the recession, there has been pressure for more buy local legislation, even in the presence of NAFTA. This is a recent article about US--Canada relations:

To the North, Grumbling Over Trade

Before coming here on a visit in February, President Obama assured anxious Canadians in a television interview that the United States’ trading partners had nothing to fear from the “Buy America” provisions in federal stimulus bills.

But now that the stimulus money is flowing, many Canadian companies are finding that, despite the president’s assurances, the North American Free Trade Agreement does not in fact offer them much protection.

I don't know whether there will be any renegotiation of NAFTA. It may just erode around the edges, or be ignored in some contexts.

Experience is that the US will definitely ignore it if that benefits them. However, I recal there being a provision in NAFTA which requires Canada to continue exporting oil and gas to the US at at minimum the same percentage of production that existed when NAFTA was signed, regardless of other developments. I'll bet that's one provision which will be enforced.

It is a little fuzzy how much of a limiting factor natural gas is.

If one is doing mining with an upgrader (as Syncrude does), the upgrader produces natural gas and other gasses that can be used as part of the energy requirement of mining. With some fine-tuning, this process could probably be adjusted so that all of the energy requirement could be met with self-produced petroleum products..

It's worth remembering that natural gas has two purposes, at least as I understand it. One is to produce heat - something they should be able to burn the bitumen or crude produced, if it's really a positive EROEI. The second is as a source of hydrogen. You need hydrogen to turn long carbon chains into short carbon chains. The hydrogen can be produced in a reaction with water and coke/bitumen/oil but it's very carbon intensive. It also reduces the EROEI equation even more.

In situ production as it is currently done uses natural gas, but other approaches are being explored. One approach is burning some of the bitumen itself to provide the heat for melting the bitumen, for example with Toe to Heel Air Injection, a method currently being evaluated. Another approach under development uses electrical induction.

I'm quite disappointed that no mention is made of EROEI for in-situ production. It would surprise me if it even reaches unity if one counts the energy lost to combustion in the ground; it's entirely possible that more than one barrel of bitumen is burned in order to coax a barrel of bitumen to drain out.

Whether this is profitable or not depends not on whether EROEI is negative or not, but on the fact that the one-plus barrel of oil being lost to production doesn't have to be produced itself. IE, if it's cheap enough to drill holes and pump in air and burn the stuff in the ground it will be produced unless there's a large enough price attached to releasing carbon in the air.

As for using electricity, that's about the most hideous mis-appropriation of resources I can imagine. Generate one of the most flexible, non-polluting, efficient forms of energy - indeed, a form that can even be multiplied by using it in a heat pump - and using it to heat one of the dirtiest forms of energy so that it can be used at 10% efficiency in the transportation sector.... It may make some perverse economic sense, but only if you have a "stranded" or otherwise very low cost source of electricity. Nuclear wouldn't seem to qualify.

David

With respect to the need for natural gas, you have a good point about the natural gas for upgrading. If the end product can be exported as bitumen, or mixed with a diluent so that it can be exported, the need for the natural gas can be put off to the end user, so it is not really an Alberta natural gas issue. But it is a natural gas issue, nevertheless.

The EROI of in situ processes will vary. The SAGD process I saw claimed an EROI of 6, but it left out so much that it was clearly lower. One reader wrote to me and suggested 3 was a better estimate. Part of the problem is that the energy used in the calculation was only the natural gas portion; another problem was that the end product was only bitumen. If one looks at the greenhouse gas calculations of CERA (as Jeff Vail did in another comment), it looks like the ratio is closer to 2.

If one burns part of the bitumen, the ratio will come out lower. But as you say, this could still be economic, if there is a low enough cost applied to CO2.