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joemichaels on September 27, 2009 - 2:42pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

The system cannot be fixed from within by means of gradual change - a dislocation must occur.

Hey Twilight - That's the fatal disconnect isn't it? Even a lot of those who have become aware imagine that we can simply reform and tweak the system: drive a Prius, eat local, change some lightbulbs, recycle our beer cans and then we'll be able to avert Climate change, Peak Oil, Over-harvesting the oceans, habitat destruction, massive species extinctions etc...

In a lot of ways we're like children who can't acknowledge that there are consequences.

Joe

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Twilight on September 27, 2009 - 8:48pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

It's even worse, in that even if you are aware and see that there are consequences - well, what do you do about it? Any worthwhile changes would have to be done at a societal level to be effective, but the system is deflecting any attempts at change. And in the end the problem is us - too many of us. Even if you picked the best course imaginable to reduce our impact you still have to deal with population. How do we solve the problem when we are the problem?

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joemichaels on September 27, 2009 - 8:55pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

Twilight - I'm doing what I can trying to set an example and raise awareness but I see a massive tsunami coming in the next 20 years (no idea how it'll play out) All you can really do is get out of harms way. How do you do that? Look for higher ground and learn how to handle firearms.

Joe

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oldchuck on September 28, 2009 - 8:26am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I'm not convinced about the handling firearms business. I'm thinking that the people most fond of guns are perhaps their own worst enemy. It's a true fact that I've never been in a bar room fight in my life. The reason? I stay out of bar rooms.

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oldfarmermac on September 28, 2009 - 9:32pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

You can sleep peacefully in your bed tonight because rough men stand ready to do violence on your behalf.George Orwell ,paraphrased.

I am afraid the rough men may not always be on my side.

You can never better yourself by denying yourself an option.

If you do not know how to defend yourself, you can't.

If you can ,it does not mean that you have to use this ability to harm others unnecessarily.

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