Greenland, or why you might care about ice physics
Posted by Stuart Staniford on January 28, 2007 - 1:00pm
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: climate change, coal-to-liquids, global warming, greenland, hubbert peak, oil prices, oil shale, peak oil [list all tags]
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We might do worse than start with with a report from the BBC. They covered a talk at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco this last week. (I didn't get to go, alas).
Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier on the east coast of Greenland has been clocked using GPS equipment and satellites to be flowing at a rate of 14km per year. It is also losing mass extremely fast, with its front end retreating 5km back up its fjord this year alone. The glacier "drains" about 4% of the ice sheet, dumping tens of cubic km of fresh water in the North Atlantic.
"We've seen a 5km retreat of the terminus, we've see an almost 300% acceleration in the flow speed and we've seen about a 100m thinning of the glacier - all occurring in the last one or so years," said Dr Gordon Hamilton, of the Climate Change Institute at the University of Maine.
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First, some basic statistics. The CIA reports that Greenland has an area of 2.2 million km2 -- slightly more than three times the size of Texas -- and a population of 56,375 humans. Greenland is a self-governing colony of Denmark.
A "flat to gradually sloping icecap covers all but a narrow, mountainous, barren, rocky coast". The ice sheet covers about 80% of the land, and contains about 2.5 million cubic kilometers of ice. If all that ice were to melt, it would increase global sea level by about 7m, or 23 feet.
Until very recently, climatologists thought that, although global warming might melt the icesheet eventually, it would be very unlikely to occur on any timescale that we would care about. As the 2001 IPCC report, Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis, put the issue:
For Greenland, estimates of the sensitivity to a 1°C local warming over the ice sheet are close to 0.3 mm/yr (with a total range of +0.1 to +0.4 mm/yr) of global sea level equivalent.Given warming of a few degrees over Greenland, that's at most a few tens of centimeters of sea level rise due to Greenland ice between now and 2100. That can't be too bad, right?
However, the studies on which this estimate was based assumed that the main things going on with the dynamics of the ice sheet are:
- Snow falls on it and makes it thicker.
- In the summer, the top melts, the water runs away, and the sheet gets thinner.
- The ice flows a little faster or slower depending on the thickness of the sheet.
An interesting paper by Zwally et al appeared in Science in 2002 (you can get most Science papers over 12 months old with just a free registration). They monitored the location of a pole stuck in the surface of the ice sheet with a GPS monitor stuck on it over several years. What they discovered is that the pole moved at a fixed steady pace in the winter, but in the summer, there were sudden anomalies were the pole started to move faster, which would then stop again later in the summer. Here's Figure 3 of the paper, with it's original caption:
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Figure 3. (A) Horizontal ice velocity (red curve) along a smoothed line of motion showing ice accelerations during the summer melt seasons and the abrupt transitions to deceleration around the times of melt cessation. The cumulative additional motion (horizontal residual, black) relative to a wintertime-average velocity of 31.33 cm/day is 6.0 m by the time of the maximum velocity in 1999. (B) The vertical residual (blue) indicates a 50-cm uplift at the time of the 1997 transition from accelerating flow to decelerating flow. (C) Cumulative PDDs and PDDs for 10-day intervals (10d DD, red) from temperatures measured at the Swiss Camp, showing correlations of the melting with the intensity and timing of the ice accelerations and decelerations (units are degree-days). Vertical dotted lines mark May 1, July 1, and September 1 for each year. |
The picture that emerges is that in the summer, the top of the icesheet starts to melt, this water heads down various vertical channels (moulins) and crevasses, and ends up lubricating the motion of the ice sheet at the bottom, where it grinds against rock. Now, the amount of motion in the Zwally paper is quite small (32 cm/day increasing to 40cm per day), but what is striking is that the effect seems to turn on from almost nothing in less warm years to quite pronounced in warmer years, leading one to wonder how the effect might scale in the future with yet more warmth.
Someone who's been worrying about that a lot is James Hansen, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. In a series of papers (with collaborators) in Scientific American, in Climatic Change, and in Science, he lays out his concerns.
The first thing that needs to be understood is that climate change has been extremely rapid in the past. Recent results from Antarctic ice cores further extend the idea that temperature and composition of key global warming gases vary rapidly at times in the past. This graph covers the last 650,000 years with seven major glaciations in (times when ice sheets cover much of North America and Europe).

CO2, CH4, and dueterium percentage (a proxy for temperature) as a function of years before present. Click to enlarge. Source: RealClimate

Sea level rise since the last glacial maximum. Click to enlarge. Source: Wikipedia
The maximum rate of change during the deglaciation occurred during Meltwater Pulse 1A (about 14000 years ago) and was around 5m/century. There is controversy over whether this pulse is primarily due to melting of the ice sheets in North America, or portions of those in Antarctica. However, either way it's an indication that when big ice sheets go, they can go with a rush.
And this is where the worry about Greenland comes in. As Hansen puts it:
The dominant issue in global warming, in my opinion, is sea-level change and the question of how fast ice sheets can disintegrate. A large portion of the world's people live within a few meters of sea level, with trillions of dollars of infrastructure. The need to preserve global coastlines sets a low ceiling on the level of global warming that would constitute dangerous anthropogenic interference.The history of the earth and the present human-made planetary energy imbalance together paint a disturbing picture about prospects for sea-level change. Data from the Antartic temperature record show that the warming of the past 50 years has taken global temperature back to approximately the peak for the current interglacial (the Holocene). The is some additional warming in the pipeline that will take us about halfway to the highest global termperature level of the previous interglacial (the Eemian), which was warmer than the Holocene, with sea level estimated to have been five to six meters higher. One additional watter per square meter of forcing, over and above that today, will take global temperature approximately to the maximum level of the Eemian.
The main issue is: How fast will ice sheets respond to global warming?
Given the present unusual global warming rate on an already warm planet, we can anticipate that areas with summer melt and rain will expand over larger ares of Greenland and fringes of Antarctica. Rising seal level itself tends to lift marine ice shelves that buttress land ice, unhinging them from anchor points. As ice shelves break up, this accelerates movement of land to the ocean. Although building of glaciers is slow, once an ice sheet begins to collapes, its demise can be spectacularly rapid.Since Hansen wrote those words, it has now been tentatively reported from satellite measurements that the net mass loss of Greenland Ice recently is as follows.

Estimated ice mass loss from Greenland in cubic kilometers. Click to enlarge. Source: Real Climate
Now, compared to the total amount of ice on Greenland -- 2.5 million cubic kilometers -- these are still very small numbers. On the other hand, the volume appears to be growing super-exponentially (ie the doubling time is reducing as we go). If that continues, it won't take many decades for the mass-loss to reach a volume that really matters. On the third hand, you can extrapolate three points just about any way you want. There certainly is not scientific certainty that Greenland will melt to an important degree in the twenty-first century. But at this point, scientists are no longer ruling it out, either.
For perspective, here's an EPA map of the portions of the US east coast that would be inundated by 1.5m and 3.5m of sea level rise. 3.5m would be reached halfway through a Greenland icesheet collapse. As you can see, the total area isn't that large, but it includes a pretty large fraction of many of the east coast's coastal cities. That would be expensive.

Areas of the US affected by varying sea level rises. Click to enlarge. Source: EPA
Then there's the time for humanity to swap out it's fossil fuel economy and replace it with whatever we would do instead, which has to be decades at minimum. The big risk is that we will set in motion something unstoppable before we see overwhelmingly clear evidence of it.
At any rate, what is clear is that the Greenland icesheet melting very urgently needs to be understood. In particular in contemplating tar-sands, coal-to-liquids, etc, as solutions to peak oil, we need to understand what gamble with the ice sheet we are making, exactly.






And why would they be evacuating Vanuatu, when the average sea level there has been below nominal for the past 3 years?
Erosion. And wind piling effect. Check their history, this is not their first evacuation in the last 100 years.
200 km2/year of melting seems really small compared to 2,500,000 km3 of ice, are you sure this is correct?
On the satellites. These results come from Synthetic Aperture Radar (more here) which has not been around that long.
Sea surface area earth: 361,126,221 km2 (source)
Lost of ice on greenland: 215 km3
Average rice in sealevel: 0,69 mm (divide the two)
Synthetic Aperture Radar has been used on a european satellite since 1991: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Remote-Sensing_Satellite
That would possibly give one more data point, stil not enough to extrapolate the curve.
Water expands when freezing, did you take that into account?
There is not much that can be done - and that would have an immediate effect. But starting to develop alternatives and renewables is definitely not what is needed. A shock increase in fuel taxes would help quickly. Tripling gasoline prices would probably cut driving by half - without collapsing the rest of economy. Rationing would do also. Removing filters from power stations would restore the dimming effect. This kind of actions are fully feasible and they have been tried earlier. Seeing this as as a national security crisis - like war - would make all this possible. Europe did experience very dramatic decline of fossile fuel consumption during the WWII, without social collapse. This was not nice - but tolerable. China and India could be brought in by threatening by tariffs and by the view of cheaper import oil.
This was to say that effective counter-measures are in fact possible. The difficult point here is of course assessing the seriousness of the problem. Are we really heading for a "threshold effect" i.e. rapidly accelerating change?
Stuart,
I'm not sure this is the case. When making decisions, consumers take the current situation into account AND expectations of the future state. If prices of gasoline tripled tomorrow and were generally expected to stay at the tripled level indefinitely, consumers would now start taking this into account when considering what kind of car to buy, whether to take a job across town or right down the road, whether to move far out into the 'burbs or whether to stick near to good public transportation, etc. There would be a short term effect as people immediately reduce their discretionary driving, and then a larger longer term effect which would manifest itself over years.
Contrast the above scenario to another situation in which a "crisis" triples gasoline prices but when the crisis abates prices are expected to drift back to current levels. In this situation there would again be some short term demand reduction as people reduced their discretionary driving but the longer-term reduction would be substantially reduced as consumers would base their decisions on the expectation of prices falling back to the current level.
I suggest you read a bit about the Dutch "Hungerwinter".
What I wanted to say is this: drastic reduction of greenhouse gases is possible if it is necessary. If the global climatic balance is really "tipping over" the pain from severe rationing and other emergency measures to reduce oil, gas and coal use is smaller than the consequences for not doing that.
If we have some time left, energy depletion will do the trick in 30 years or so. ASPO scenario shows an imminent peak of oil, NGLs and natural gas. It is quite likely that coal production cannot increase much in the future. Coal peak is likely in 30 years time. No Tokyo II is needed. Depletion will do it much better. But if we are really in an emergency, other kind of solutions are needed. This is the big question.
No they didn't. This was a transportation issue. It started with a strike of railway workers and as a punishment the Germans forbade transportation of foods for about a month. Then the winter kicked in but foodstocks were low. The combination of low foodstocks caused by the monthlong emargo and the lack of transportation capabilities, due to lack of fuel, after that caused the famine.
http://www.dutchfamine.nl/history.htm
They also built over a million civilian gasifiers because the military used up the gasoline.
http://www.woodgas.com/history.htm
One of the best outfits providing data is the British Antarctic Survey, as one can discover by reading this press release and following its links, http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/News_and_Information/Press_Releases/story.php?id=160
Global sea level rise coupled with declining river flows in glacial-fed riparian systems representing the drinking and irrigation water several billion folks require will spawn massive population shifts and economic upheaval--all of which will be exacerbated by peaking oil and gas. ANYTHING anybody does to conserve and overthrow "business as usual" will be beneficial, no matter how small.
No. If the situation is really threatening immediately with a "trigger event", massive scale obligatory measures are needed. It is not saving somebodys conscience but the world... If we have time, depletion will take care of conservation and our business is to manage the social and economic consequences.
OK, we will see. I doubt that there is not yet enough evidence to declare an emergency. So we will wait a little bit. But if the world temperatures rising continues at the present pace in three - five years, the situation will be reconsidered.
By the way, Americans don't have much experience of emergency situations. In Europe and elsewhere it is different. There have been wars but also large general strikes, when a whole country has stood still - also the traffic. This is not so shocking when you have some experience. If needed, a 30% reduction in fossile fuels consumption can happen immediately. It will require more effort in the long run, but is of course possible. Is life in the '60s style so difficult? Consult the Cubans: listen good music, make drinks from the ethanol, eat the corn, enjoy from sex, relax - and save the world...
...and the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases continue to increase - currently at 1.9 ppm per year - so it's pretty likely that average temperatures will continue to rise at the present rate or greater.
Hansen argues in his Climatic Change editorial that major disintegration of the world's ice sheets will be unavoidable once the loss of ice passes some critical point. Coastal low beach waterfront is looking a risky long-term investment at the moment.
And while we are down here, how about the fact that NZ's National Institute of Water and Atmospherics (NIWA) has measured increases in NZ glaciers over the past five years.
How about the NASA JPL study that has found that the West Antartic ice shelf is increasing by 26.8 billion tons per year
Satellite data for the middle atmosphere since 1978 has shown no warming and even an overall cooling of the atmosphere.
If the world is warming, why is America seeing record low temperatures
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that looking at individual trends of small parts of our earth is not a useful way to detect the global trends. It's like trying to predict world oil production by looking at what's happening at one oil field.
From your first link:
The NZ glaciers article actually says: About the West Antartic ice sheet: Since 2002 it has only worsen.About the last comment about record low temperatures in some region of the world (part of the US) at some time (winter 2005) I won't even comment.
Sorry, but I must conclude you are spreading lies like all climate change "sceptics". You are the one who takes examples of very particular regions and times, and put it forward as proof that there is doubt. Science doesn't work that way, it takes data from 1000s of regions at 1000s of different dates to draw conclusions.
If the climate changes catastrophically in the future you, as well as all the climate change naysayers will be responsible for humankind not having taken the appropriate measures in time. Shame on you.
Sorry, but you seem to have missed the gist of my argument.
The articles I quote DISPROVE global warming as much as Stuart's post about Greenland PROVES global warming.
In other words, we have no real idea whether the trends in polar ice are part of natural cycles or are part of a worsening global trend brought on by man. Any attempt by us to debate it here at TOD (a blog about Peak Oil) is absolutely futile and a waste of the elctrons used to transmit it!
I am a committed environmentalist who voted for the Greens here at the last election. There are incredibly more important issues to discuss (and act on) about the environment without having to worry about whether global warming is directly related to man's activities. Issues such as pollution, loss of biodiversity, deforestation, are all far more visible problems that we can actually make a difference with today.
We may be able to reduce our C02 emissions by 20%, but do we actually know it will make a difference? In fact, our efforts to reduce CO2 emissions by one or two billion tonnes pales into insignificance when you realise that (according to the USGS) "Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year". Are we going to shut down all the volcanoes, too? Maybe the countries with more volcanoes will have to pay more carbon taxes? We'll be really screwed if we reduce our CO2 emissions and then we get some extinct volcanoes starting up!
While we worry about whether the Gulf Stream will flip or whether Greenland's Ice will all melt (things that we can do very little about), we're losing hundreds of endangered species every day, water quality deteriorates before our eyes and natural habitats are swallowed up by urban sprawl.
Finally I would like to say that there are many other places to discuss Global Warming, and I do not believe that TOD should be added as yet another. While there may be a link between post-peak activities and increases in CO2 emissions, the link between the latter and Global Warming can be debated elsewhere.
We need to stick to the topic at hand: Peak Oil.
That significant anthropogenic global warming exists is now irrefutable to anyone who makes a serious effort to look into the evidence in an open-minded manner. I won't spend time offering remedial coverage on that topic because it isn't very interesting to me. If you would prefer to read reassuring nonsense from people funded by industry PR campaigns in an attempt to paralyze action, there are lots of right wing websites that will be happy to begin supplying you with regular doses of that.
I view climate change as a critical component of the peak oil debate - we cannot explore the implications of CTL versus nuclear/wind powered plug-in hybrids, for example, without considering the climate issues.
Volcanoes have been a regular part of the planet's ecosystem for billions of years. Life has adjusted to these CO2 releases which are balanced by carbon being absorbed into the mantle via subduction zones in deep ocean trenches. Life adjusts to changes over time periods of at least 100,000 years. Current CO2 levels are the highest in at least 400,000 years and most of the increase has come in the last 60 years. This increase tracks closely with increases in global fossil fuel use. Peak Oil can seriously worsen this situation if we turn to using coal even more. Simple economics says this is the way to go. Even the choices of Chinese Communists show that they follow simple economics in decision making.
What does simple economics say we should do about the effects of rising sea levels on New York City? Move the people elsewhere or build dikes and go back to calling it New Amsterdam?
volcanoes produce 130m tonnes CO2 pa
The United States, alone, produces over 7.3 *billion* tpa of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.
So volcanoes produce 1.8% of the CO2 that the US, alone does. And the US is only 2/7ths of world emissions of CO2 (then there are another 2bn tpa carbon equivalent, ie 7 bn tpa of CO2 equivalent, stemming from non CO2 greenhouse gases).
Volcanoes *do* effect the climate, mostly by (temporarily) abating global warming by blocking sunlight with atmospheric particles and SO2.
When Pinatubo erupted the world experienced a 0.5 degree centigrade fall in average temperatures, over the next 18 months.
Which was perfectly predicted by the (relatively primitive) climate models then in use.
How about the report published in "Science" in June this year that stated that (quoting from the Wikipedia sea level rise page) "East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of about 18 mm/yr while West Antarctica showed an overall thinning of 9 mm/yr". According to the abstract, the East Antartic ice "increased in mass by 45 ± 7 billion metric tons per year from 1992 to 2003".
That doesn't seem like it is "rapidly deteriorating".
Here you have some more up to date info:
September, 2004:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-02.htm
"Temperatures [on the Antarctica continent] there have risen by up to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5 degrees C) in the past 60 years -- faster than almost any region in the world.
In the past 30 years, ice shelves in the region have lost more than 5,200 square miles of area."
February, 2005:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4228411.stm
February, 2005:
http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2005/WAIS-Sea-Levels2feb05.htm
May, 2005 data (it doesn't get much fresher than that):
http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/News_and_Information/Press_Releases/story.php?id=164
http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/images/Fig3-Ann.-Global-Temp-Anom.jp g
I believe Stuart Staniford said it best regarding remedial climate awareness education.
Confucious once said that if you look for something hard enough, you will eventually find it. If you want to find "source material" to contradict the generally accepted scientific opinion, you will. But that does not make it any less true.
There are some people still insist that the world is flat.....
Yes, but the report was published in June 2005, which is newer than any of your articles. Most of the articles you quote don't say hold old the data is that they are based on, so you cannot say that this is new data.
"Sea levels are not falling from more snow falling on Eastern Antarctica."
Why not? If warmer seas are generating more clouds (there's certainly more hurricanes, which have lots of clouds) and those clouds fall as snow on the East Antartic ice shelf, then H2O molecules have been directly transferred out of the ocean and onto the land. That sounds like the sort of process that would lower sea levels. And as Dave pointed out, this may also be happening on Greenland.
The CommonDreams article is actually only about the Antartic peninsula (in the west) which is indeed warming up. In fact, you cleverly changed the quote from the article. The paragraph you snipped actually reads: "The affected area is at the far northern tip of the Antarctic, just south of Chile and Argentina. Temperatures there have risen by up to 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5 degrees C) in the past 60 years". I certainly do not dispute that the peninsula has warmed up, in fact, it makes sense if the oceans have warmed that this peninsula surrounded by warmer oceans has also warmed itself.
The other three articles all refer to the same BAS press release about the "giant awakening". In their own article, the BAS concedes that it is "difficult at present to predict the contribution of Antarctica to sea level rise".
So if one of the leading authorities about the state of the Antartic Ice shelves does not even know how changes in those ice shelves will affect global sea levels, then how can you tell us that what is happening in Antartica will cause sea levels to rise.
Sounds like your in the wrong job, Fallout. I think some people at BAS would be very happy with your expertise.
Fact: More melt is occuring around the perimeter of the Greenland ice cap than is being redeposited in the center.
Fact: Major ice shelves in the Antarctic have collapsed in the last 10 years.
Playing what-if word games based on bits and pieces of data does not invalidate the greater trend no matter how much you might wish it were so.
for those of you who like to wade through some numbers http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ has some up to date information, although it is more focused on sea ice, not land ice.
Good point. Greenland is not the only problem, there are glaciers melting in Alaska and other places too.
Your point on Antarctic and NZ ice increasing seems peverse. What about the Larsen B and C ice shleves. One collapsed dramatically last year in only a few days when the scientists thought it would last 100 years?
I think the question of Antarctic ice is complicated.
Let's remember that for the most part Antarctica is very dry and
it snows little. An increase of snowfall is compatible with an increased warming combined with wet conditions to create storms.
The real question is whether this is incompatible with overall global warming due to greenhouse effects. No, it isn't. With warmer temperatures you can have both more melting and more snowing.
I do not believe that rise in sea level will be the dominant malevolent effect of anthropogenic climate change. That will happen much later, after rainfall patterns have changed sufficiently to disrupt massively much agriculture and the human societies which depend upon them.
Incidentally, excellent posts!
http://www.wunderground.com/education/abruptclimate.asp
The graph is from the Greenland Ice Sheet Project.
The real problem with all this melting is that eventually the North Atlantic warm conveyour will shut down, dramatically cooling temperatures. Hopefully it won't happen next week :)