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Lars on October 19, 2005 - 6:37am

What i find amazing about this hurricane is that it almost seems to "choose" to stay above hot water to gain extra momentum, instead of hitting land here and there, it just slides itself through the narrow hole between Cuba and Mexico.

I also note the oilprice - hurricane interaction :

WILMA is born --> +1
She's not going to the oilfields --> -1.5
but it's going to be a cat 5+ --> + 0.5

Sunday : "Miami will not be consuming for a few years" --> -2

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drew on October 19, 2005 - 9:37am

...that is because the paths of these recent storms are "chosen" and steered by rogue terrorists using scalar electromagnetic weaponry. Then Secretary of Defense under WJ Clinton, William Cohen warned about this very thing in a DOD briefing in GA in 1997...he called it eco-terrorism...

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Donal on October 19, 2005 - 10:54am

I thought it was ninepins.

"What seemed particularly odd to Rip, was that though these folks were evidently amusing themselves, yet they maintained the gravest faces, the most mysterious silence, and were, withal, the most melancholy party of pleasure he had ever witnessed. Nothing interrupted the stillness of the scene but the noise of the balls, which, whenever they were rolled, echoed along the mountains like rumbling peals of thunder."

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paradox on October 19, 2005 - 11:40am

Well said. I'm glad I'm not the only one to see think about this possibility on this site. You may have read the Enterprise Misssion web site. Today, there are some spectacular animated gifs on Ophelia and Wilma showing one of the steering mechanisms in action.

Also, on the Enterprise Mission website there are some interesting quotes of Maxwell's poetry showing deep mystical beliefs in the fourth dimension (or fifth, as you see fit). After Maxwell passed away, Heaviside "simplified" his equations by removing the quaternions. Mainstream physics may have discarded these ether-type equations too rapidely.

The quote from Cohen pointed to earthquakes, hurricanes and volcanic eruptions as manifestations of scalar weaponry. I'm not aware of any way to discriminate between these artificial events and the trend of increased activity over the last century. However, three major hurricanes in one year hitting strategic assets in the US would qualify as noteworthy in any sane person's mind. Oh, and their strength and the speed at which they increase is dumbfounding, isn't?

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sekiyu on October 19, 2005 - 1:11pm

Them scalar weapons probably need heaps of energy to do their thing, a real disadvantage in a peak oil scenario. Maybe there's an alternative energy source. Plenty of cattle manure is available due to the rise of big agribusinesses that don't spread the good stuff on cropland, like the old family farms used to. Then again, no doubt we'd soon run into serious depletion of the cattle manure reserves. So it might be an idea to have a whole bunch of people stand abreast, wire their fillings in series, and hum while chewing on tinfoil. But be very careful that no one has them new plastic fillings and breaks the circuit. And note that it might be an idea to power-up with propeller beanies for steering a category 3 or over...

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paradox on October 19, 2005 - 2:15pm

Right on. I'm trying to parse logic in your post, but I seem to fail completely.

Go on. Read today's post of Enterprise Mission.

Notice the navigation of Ophelia. (I especialy love the part when "bands" appear, moving her out and weakening her at the same time.

Notice the incredible strengthening of Wilma, in an amazingly short span of time. Someone else here said it: she was supposed to be category 2 by now.

It seems that Wilma is going to visit Miami. That would be three storms hitting three vital regions in succession. Then again, I think that there will be more weather manipulation performed to make it a near miss on the city.

Finally, read on about how hyperdimensional physics work. It might be more productive then speculating about manure. It would be harder to detect submarine methane extraction. But that would take away the fun of writing nonsensical responses.

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mw on October 19, 2005 - 2:34pm

Miami is a vital region?

If someone had the wherewithall to do this, their best bet would be towards Houston again. The US can live without Miami for a while; a huge hit on oil infrastructure, again, would be quite catastrophic for energy supplies and thus the economy.

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sekiyu on October 19, 2005 - 11:15pm

Pardon me, but this is a claim that a weather ray gun is being used to send hurricanes to attack America. There is absolutely no evidence to believe this speculation. The claim is supported only by references to a website that breathlessly covers every alleged mystery dreamed up by human pseudo science.
As usual, people who assert this kind of stuff claim special rights in the marketplace of ideas. They say we have to deal with their "evidence" of several undeniably large hurricanes PLUS a complete fantasy about a ray gun. But there are better ways to explain why so many hurricanes have formed, and real scientists are using real scientific methods to do just that. The old switcheroo trick in the pseudo science con game is to point at effect, shout a lot, and hope people will get worked up enough to ignore the total lack of evidence for the asserted cause. But the people who use this site are not a bunch of mouthbreathers seeking excitement in place of tonight's drivel on reality TV. Show us one scintilla of compelling evidence that a weather ray gun that can spawn and control hurricanes exists. And don't cite that hokum on "mission enterprise."

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paradox on October 20, 2005 - 4:08am

No evidence, hum? It's not like a city vanished or something. No wait it did!

Not so long ago, the Church did a nasty trick on Galilleo for lacking faith.

Now, it seems Science has taken up the gauntlet. Never mind for those who dare speak against her holy facade of methods. Never mind, too, that the majority of scientists have often been proven wrong during paradigm shifts.

Just curious. How do you explain Ophelia? You recall her dancing, right? You recall all the computer models being confused? You can see her sudden shift to the Atlantic, as those bands appear?

I happen to have some nifty gifs on my computer. They show her eye, but with a nice triangular shape with 60 degree angles were one would expect a smooth barrel. On IR and visible, if you can believe that. Now, to me, a 60 degree triangle in the middle of a hurricane speaks quite loudly. More so then a fantasy.

So, do we have a fluid specialist in the house to explain?

Tell me too, where all the scientists got it so wrong predicting the strength increase of Wilma? Ah, it's an uncertain science. There's lots of factor. It's unpredictable. The outcome varies according to which model you might use. Rinse, lather, repeat. This "scientific" attitude is certainly nothing like that of a pseudo scientist, right?

I'm curious. Really, curiousity is the first step to understanding. Not methods.

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mikeB on October 20, 2005 - 8:15am

Excuse me, but your logic is--shall we say--fucked.

"There's a lot we can't explain about Ophelia. Therefore, she was guided by a ray gun."

Argument to ignorance, which is a FALLACY.

http://skepdic.com/ignorance.html

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paradox on October 20, 2005 - 3:48pm

Especially when you give on yourself the right to put words in my mouth. Did I talk about a ray gun? In any post?

Look deep.

I'm trying to open your eyes to a reality but you fling the skepdic at me. Ultimately, skepticism leads to mental abortion.

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drew on October 21, 2005 - 8:22am

If you desire to speak of LOGIC, then referring to a Ray Gun is a STRAWMAN argument. It is a contrived misrepresentation. People here (and anywhere) then put faith into the strawman without a proper inquiry...choosing ingnorance.

Being willfully ignorant is anyone's choice, of course. I respect those who admit they don't want to know. Admitting it is better than standing behind a strawman.

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sekiyu on October 22, 2005 - 1:35am

Hang on there. We are being shown images of hurricanes allegedly manipulated by some sort of electromagnetic force targeted by a device. That describes a ray gun. And if that conclusion is incorrect, then the proponents of the manipulated hurricane theory can fill us in on the missing details, a hole wider than Wilma's eye. At present, all we have from them are suggestions that pretty much indicate they're talking about a ray gun (keep in mind that a gun can be an enormous device). You can't build a strawman argument if the other side is only blowing hot air.

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mikeB on October 20, 2005 - 8:13am

Thank you, s. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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sekiyu on October 20, 2005 - 9:56am

same here MikeB. We've been doing an online version of cleaning the Augean stables. Old Hercules had neither ray gun nor keyboard, so he diverted a couple of rivers instead. A bit of a shame, really, as compared to the present fetid business plenty of good BS went to down to the deep.

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timber on October 20, 2005 - 11:48am

My friedns and relatives believe 'We're running out of oil.' just as much as they believe 'Someone is controling the weather.' I guess scientific proof is in the eye of the beholder.

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Donal on October 20, 2005 - 12:10pm

I believe we're running out of cheap oil. If someone can control the weather to the point of creating and directing Cat 5 hurricanes, they probably deserve to rule the world.

I once read a series of sci-fi stories about a weather council becoming the world's governing body. As I recall, they sent heat-resistant ships to the sun to modulate the amount of sunlight hitting any area on Earth, which gave them unanticipated political power.

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sekiyu on October 20, 2005 - 12:55pm

Apples and oranges, amigo. Good peak oil arguments are an hypothesis that supplies are finite and that we've consumed nearly half of them. There are good reasons to believe the supply of oil is finite. There are plausible reasons to believe that we might be about to peak out in our exploitation of those resources, especially because we've seen that happen in a very large number of countries.
We have to guess about oil reserves because so many countries won't furnish the requisite data. So there is lots of uncertainty about peak. Note that one doesn't have to bring in a hidden conspiracy and other completely speculative mechanisms to explain why we can't get the data.
Contrast the above with the assertions that ray guns or other implements are controlling the weather. A few efforts at cloud seeding do not a ray gun make.
When the ray-gun club produces evidence of one (and no, radar shots of "manipulated" hurricanes aren't evidence of the gun), then we can talk facts - as we usually do about peak oil on this list until people who have other agendas interrupt the discussion. Surely there are other places on the net where they'd feel more comfortable. Maybe they'd even get to feel one of those guns...

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timber on October 20, 2005 - 1:28pm

I am 100% with you on peak oil. I show the information to people I know and they see conspiracy. They believe this whole peak oil thing is created by the oil companies to make money. Thanks for this space where I can feel sane.

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drew on October 21, 2005 - 8:31am

About the strength of Wilma: I've noticed today that the eye wall is much larger. It seems that the storm is "stronger" now in a way because the 150 mph winds extend out much farther than 175 mph winds did just days ago.

So a small eye in a strong CAT 5 will do less overall damage than a large eye wall of a medium to strong CAT 3 or 4.

What do you think?

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mw on October 19, 2005 - 2:30pm

Folks may choose to believe this stuff, but a few muttered comments by Cohen - or Rumsfeld, I don't care what your political persuasion is - should be cause for us all to believe in this stuff.

No credible evidence exists, but plenty of conspiracy theory speculation does.
Usually the simplest explaination tends to be the right one. There were weather cycles long before there was any ability to do more than dream about nuclear weapons let alone dream up, build, and deploy climate changing weapons.
If indeed the US had been attacked numerous times by a climate weapon you can bet the US military would have dropped a H bomb or two on someone else, even it wasn't the right target.
Eco-weapons is a rather convenient excuse to role out and deflect attention away from the simplest and most plausible explanation ... man pumping millions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere at an accelerating rate is changing the planetary climate.

That or its a natural cycle, you take your pick. I favour the former because its common sense.

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mw on October 19, 2005 - 2:35pm

Of course I meant to say "should not be reason for us all to believe in this stuff".

Yup, lets believe in the fanciful so we can avoid doing what makes sense.

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paradox on October 19, 2005 - 5:44pm

Fine. Call it speculation.

There are cycles. No argument there. That's the long term trend of increasing earthquakes and volcanoes since the beginning of the century. There's slowing of the Gulf Stream, which is keeping a lot more warm water further south, in turn helping the formation of hurricanes. These cycles are so long term that we know next to nothing of them.

You know, I am sure about Sun Tzu Art of War. You also certainly must recall how he says that you must attack where it is unexpected. That's the great wonder of these natural weapons. They have built in deniability.

But have a look a the now-classic Chinese text, Unrestricted Warfare.

Military
Atomic warfare

Conventional warfare

Bio-chemical warfare

Ecological warfare

Space warfare

Electronic warfare

Guerrilla warfare

Terrorist warfare

Trans-military
Diplomatic warfare

Network warfare

Intelligence warfare

Psychological warfare

Tactical warfare

Smuggling warfare

Drug warfare

Virtual warfare (deterrence)

Non-military
Trade warfare

Resources warfare

Economic aid warfare

Regulatory warfare

Sanction warfare

Media warfare

Ideological warfare

In all these domains, the authors suggests that they must not be seen as conventional attacks (airplanes, tanks) and thus will slip by unnoticed by the US military.You can have a lot more fun by reading the translation yourself.

Finally, what would be the tactical use of making a few million people drive at a time when refineries are not exactly underworked? What would be the psychological use to terrorize all these millions? To remove the invincibility aura of the US?

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drew on October 19, 2005 - 8:52pm

Well, Paradox...I imagine what is most paradoxical about waging war by using these tactics is that the people who laugh and mock are the very people whom the weapons defeat...like those scoffers everywhere that are not humble enough to do the research and learn for themselves about such matters.

The fact that people make fun of these weapons is evidence that they work!

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." --Albert Einstein

Of course it is more comfortable and convenient for some people to remain willfully ignorant. Weather warfare and modification is too much of a leap outside the confines of our neat little paradigm. Information abounds for any who dare entertain and investigate; yet, for the aforementioned reasons, most enjoy scoffing more than true scholarship and inquiry.

These storms (and coming earthquakes, which may even coincide with the next major storm) are part of the tactical economic war aimed at the US. We are already slaves to our creditors (Chinese for one)...they are just waiting for the chance to pull the plug on the Almighty Greenback which long ago replaced the God that our money says we trust.

We'll be on standby for Wilma... let's just hope the BIG ONE doesn't go off in CA at the same time...they are already getting those tremors on the pacific islands.

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louGrinzo on October 19, 2005 - 10:25pm

Feel free to show us proof at any time, drew.

I'm not saying you're wrong or right. But I do believe very strongly in the old adage about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof.

Convince me this is true, and I'll help you tell the world. Fail to convince me, and I'll consider it just one more unproven thing I read online.

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paradox on October 20, 2005 - 4:42am

Let's suppose, just for a moment, that a terrible, new and amazing weapon existed and you were privy to its existence. Do you think this kind of weapon and the knowledge of it would be allowed to circulate freely?

It's the same about any kind of important secret, for money, sex, whatever.

I hope at least that you'll remember this as time goes on and these forces of nature impress themselves forcefully on front page news.

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drew on October 20, 2005 - 8:44am

I've found that evidence does abound, yet is not in your face like the Michael Jackson trial. However, The Wall Street Journal reported in 1997 that Malaysia wanted to battle city smog by using a typhoon's rain and wind to come close enough (but not too close) for cleansing purposes. ( "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal, Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.) Here is where you might start your research.

--the UN adpoted a relolution against nations using these weapons against each other...you can read the text of the treaty here at the US state dept. http://www.state.gov/t/ac/trt/4783.htm

--US Senate Bill 517: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Act, legislation passed by the US Congress as Bill S-517 on March 3, 2005.

--Veitnam war history reports of weather control by US forces, locally creating rain and fog against the enemy

--US Patent Office--weather modification devices have patents

--www.cheniere.org
--www.weatherwars.info
--www.cuttingedge.org/articles/weather.cfm

Remember that scientific evidence available to the public is several to many years behind the esoteric government and military knowledge. That is why so much is classified. Weapons and how they work must be kept secret. This is common sense war strategy.

You've challenged me with providing evidence; I now challenge you to do your homework. We can then continue our dialogue about the implications of weather warfare.

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