Thanks once more Stuart. As usual, less favored folk get the pain first.

It's interesting to see that the 'Demand Destruction' thesis of people like Adam Porter seems to be right.

My personal feeling is that we will see some sort economic trouble both sides of the Atlantic in 2006. The tax risings of Greenspan (RIP - Retire in Peace) and Trichet will just offset Stagflation to good old regular Recession.

We should also consider the chance of an ease in Oil prices during next year. If supply can keep in the 84-85 MBD frame, a Recession will keep prices in the 50 - 70 US$ range, and might even lower that.

If the central banks don't raise taxes again, then inflation will set in, spiraling everything with it. Those news on coal yesterday where really scary.

Well, let me just wish a tranquil cozy Christmas to everyone reading this, and hope for some sort of miracle in 2006.

I have seen a couple of posts that refer to central banks "raising taxes."  Central banks have no power to raise taxes.  Rather, they can raise (or lower) interest rates.  Generally speaking, raising interest rates tends to cool off inflation by slowing the economy.  Conversely, when the ecomomy is in jeopary of recession, lowering interest rates can act as a stimulus.

Peak oil will really put the central banks between the devil and the deep blue sea.  If we have a sharp peak (rather than a plateau), the 3-4% annual declines, year after year, will trigger huge inflationary pressures, coupled with increasing unemployment ("stagflation").

If the central banks of the world decide to fight inflation, they will raise interest rates just as an oil supply-side recession takes hold.  This is the same mistake the world's central banks made in the 1930s (but for a different reason).  This has been called the "second mistake."  It has been credibly argued that the "second mistake" turned a mere recession into the Great Depression of the 1930s.

So, will history repeat itself?  I believe the central banks are very fixated on fighting inflation.  The generals fight the last war.  If I am right, then when peak oil hits, we will see extremely high real interst rates.  This will bring on a severe recession, and lower oil prices, temporairly.  When it becomes a depression, the central banks will lower rates in a desperation move to stimulate the ecomony.  But when they do that, inflation will skyrocket.  What a mess it will be.

I agree that history is about to repeat itself for exactly the reason you state - that the generals are fighting the last (inflationary) war. I am more concerned with deflation than with inflation as very high real interest rates will strangle the economy. When inflation is negative, real interest rates can get very high very quickly, even if nominal rates are low. As you say, a deflationary depression should lower oil prices (and the price of everything in relation to cash) temporarily through involuntary demand destruction (rather than voluntary conservation). This may obsucure the peaking process and lead to a bumpy plateau, perhaps with very volatile prices, for a while.

Where I would disagree with you is with the assertion that cutting interest rates in desperation would actually stimulate the economy. Even with nominal rates near zero, real rates could still be punishingly high in a negative inflation (deflationary) environment. During the implosion of the credit bubble, lowering interest rates should be the equivalent of pushing on a piece of string. The Japanese tried to stimulate their economy for years, cutting their rates to almost zero, but couldn't get nervous citizens to spend. I would expect the US government (and others) to try the same thing with the same result.

Once the deflationary impulse is spent, I would then expect hyperinflation in both Japan and the US. The generals would still be fighting the war on deflation as inflationary pressures loom. America should watch Japan as they are further along the path to hyperinflation. The US should catch up eventually though as the American crash should proceed more rapidly.

As the world's former largest creditor, Japan was able to stave off the day of reckoning for years by burning through their resources building four lane highways from nowhere to nowhere etc. The US is going into a crash as the world's largest debtor already. America's deflationary crash may be the trigger to push Japan into hyperinflation. (Printing yen has already begun - see The Dollar Crisis by Richard Duncan.) I would guess that America's own hyperinflation would begin several years later. It should indeed be a mess.