I've considered this whole die-off issue as well.  Ive' read Overshoot and Collapse this or that.  I've had problems with industrial society for a long time, and have mentioned on other boards my reading of Huxley's Island years ago.  I drive through a city like Los Angeles and I think "what a bloody mess."  And as a student of Buddhism, I'm quite familiar with and readily accept the concept of impermanence and suffering.  With that in mind, I do have to ask:  why does the idea of die-off wreck Delaney's life?  Is he so self-important?  Does he consider his species so important?  And this idea that one must take steps to preserve the self:  that's nothing more than what got us into this mess in the first place, at least from several perspectives.

The idea that an individual needs to propagate his/her genes, his/her name (one of the most idiotic concepts I've come across) by winning the "overshoot lottery" etc is just plain self-serving, self-important, and pathetic in my mind. Yet that's what I'm commonly hearing: "Humans are in overshoot, there are too many of us, and I'VE GOT TO SAVE MYSELF AND MY FAMILY."  Can't you agree there is something just a little pathetic about this.

And let's face it, the reason Delaney doesn't give a date or timeline is because he doesn't know.  He's got a feeling, I'm sure.  Jevon was stockpiling for the end of the coal age oh so long ago. His feeling didn't pan out for at least a hundred years after his death.  Lot of good that stockpiling did.

Does this mean we don't have problems?  Of course not.  But the self-serving whining and moaning and pittying for self and species that I come across when dealing with the issue of peak oil is rather nauseating at times.  It's like a car crash, I suppose: people are obsessed with the morbid.

Propagate is what species do.  They expand until the environment puts brakes on them.  Humans are trickier than other species.  But evolution no doubt leads invariably down a planetary path like the one humans have taken.  What humans are doing is no different than other species, only on a broader scale.  And certainly no different than what mother nature has done time and time again--asteroids, volcanoes, ice ages, and the likes.

So with that in mind, I'm just baffled when I hear people who read about peak oil and then start moaning and blathering about their livelihoods, their kids, etc etc etc.  I have two kids.  I'm in the same boat as everyone else.  But the common response--"woe is me" and "I've got to build a lifeboat" is annoying.

Without passing judgment on the whole die-off issue, I would respectfully suggest that we all step lightly when talking about other people's reactions to such weighty topics.  Many people, possibly (and possibly not) including Delaney, are depressed over what they perceive is coming simply out of concern for all the people who will suffer and/or die a premature death.  It might not be as personal as how their own relative or their family name survives.

While I agree that the family name business is silly, trying to save one's family definitely does not strike me as pathetic.  I have no children, but it does pain me to think of what my three nieces and the neighborhood kids my wife and I have grown attached to will face.  

I think you're absolutely right that we should spend less time hand wringing and more time doing something about our situation.  But trying to educate people about this looming situation is one hell of a tough job...

I agree with you wholeheartedly.  But still want to add that suffering is a fact.  Everyone is going to die. Everyone.  If not sooner, later.  So it's just a matter of how.  And when.  Most children in the past never had a chance to grow up. Now they do, and we face a different set of problems.  It's the price we pay.  And it's the same with the human race.  Mortal.  Sooner or later.

And I also take issue with the missed targets of those in the doom and gloom boat.  It's not that I don't understand all the issues, the problems, the overshoot, the islandization of ecosystems, etc etc.  But we still don't know the timing.  Anyone who says "five years" or "ten years" is pulling numbers out of the seat of their pants.

And..suppose we are in the final years of industrial civilization.  I personally think there is a lot of demand destruction to go around before we even approach the standard of living of, say, 1930.  Will people be eating people by then?  I'm just not betting on it.  But others can think so if it suits their fancy.  But suppose we are in the final years.  It's like sitting in a life boat.  There are people who are always sighting a ship on the horizon.  And others always whining and complaining about their lost futures.  To both I say "shut the F*** up and just enjoy the reflection of the sun on the water."  At peakoil.com I call them the hopelessly optimistic and the hopelessly hopeless respectively.  All hopeless.  I'm into realism.  Whatever it may bring.

The How and When are precisely what worry me.  
> To both I say "shut the F*** up and just enjoy the reflection of the sun on the water."

That is a good strategy for saving energy when nothing can be done, good for survival.

The only thing that matters is in a way survival since what dies becomes irrelevant.