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- successfully bottled up with UN sanctions that could easily have been strengthened with appropriate US and international vigillance (getting a coalition together for that purpose would be a walk in the park and require next to no guns being fired)
- ultimately, perhaps Hussein might have been reformed. Look at Libya, where US and other petro-corps are now seeking to work with actively
- Iraq oil flowed more freely under sanctions than since. A reformed Hussein might have been - 10, 20 years from now perhaps - an ally as ugly as that sounds.
- A surrounded Iraq was strangely still an effective block to any Iranian expansion tendencies; but in the end, economics will, or would have, probably driven Iran more into the main stream in order to sell its energy wealth to the world. Isolating Iran, as we have, just prevents that process from happening, and countries such as China don't care much if the energy is availble to them.
- overall contributed to oil security not detracted from it
- and the kicker, contained Saddam meant Al Qaeda had no home in Iraq.
For Bush to about face now and claim its now all about energy security is a play so pathetically disingenuous, designed simply to play on gasoline-cost inspired energy fears of the people, that I'm shocked he's not being called on it right now.Security in the US (and in my own political party, a conservative party, in Canada) has been used as the trump card to avoid talking about real issues for far too long.
Or an M1 Abrams.
- Sanctions were being subverted by numerous agencies (does the oil-for-food scandal ring any bells?) and France and others were trying to have them dropped entirely. Strengthen them, easily? Whatever you're smoking, it's better than anything the Bushies have got.
- Hussein, reformed? With his murderous and sadistic sons being groomed to succeed him?
- Yes, the oil DID flow. Hussein murdered anyone who would have tried to stop it. Are you saying that we are handicapped by morals and should have let Saddam do the job, since he is not?
- You mean, like our example in Iraq was so bad for Lebanon? <cough>
- Iraq is a long-term prospect. Our oil security needs would have been better served by moving away from oil after 1991, but the American public wasn't paying attention and threw out pols who were.
- Saddam worked with Al Qaeda to attack the Kurds. Do some searching on "Ansar al-Islam" for more information. Several Kurdish leaders and many peshmerga were killed by Al Qaeda affiliates financed and armed by Saddam Hussein.
You can't get anywhere while you are denying facts. Just because Bush denies different ones than you do does not mean your POV is superior.