It's interesting to hear the PERSON behind the famous book! Thanks, Stuart, for the good questions that let Heinberg talk. Somehow the conversation contexts Heinberg's stands on things --like stolen elections-- that make him easier to hear, even though I still have trouble with the notion of an intentional "elite conspiracy". (I wonder if he'll ever write a book on the coming authoritarianism). Yes or no, his PO/human-ecology work is solid and clear. I think his observations about population trends in the 21st century are 'right on the money' --i.e., ecologically and energetically based, and realistic instead of gloomy.