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"RH: In the U.S. I'm sad to say, the deep leadership, not the people we elect but the people who are actually making the decisions, are aware of the general trend of events. They see the American standard of living cannot be supported. Rather than informing the American people of this and asking for a national consensus based on a shared willingness to cooperatively reduce living standards, what they're doing is to quietly put in place the mechanisms for an authoritarian regime. When the time comes they will enforce that on the American people. How that will come about, when, I don't know."
Who are these people, the "deep leadership...who are actually making the decisions"? I haven't read Heinberg's book yet, so forgive me if he's already covered this. I would just be interested in knowing who these people are, so that I can watch what they are doing to prepare for what's coming.
I generally agree with the concept of peak oil, but from everything I have read, it's hard for me to decide whether it's an immediate problem or a problem for 30 years from now. I guess if I could watch watch the actions of certain powerful, influential people (i.e., people who should have good information), and their actions are consistent with somebody who is preparing for life after the peak, that would help me decide whether the problem is imminent.
And as for knowing when we're on the peak, "we won't know until after the fact" and neither will they, but as can be seen now, it is pretty clear we're approaching the plateu (or hopefully the mountain pass).
Your other points are truisms. It ain't only the rich who don't really care about other folks, and it ain't only the rich who want to keep what they have.
It's not that they set out to create a "shadow government" - it's just that power works always for its own advantage, and those with money will always seek to pull the political levers. The fact that all this lever-pulling has similar goals even though it comes from many different organizations is what gives the appearance of a layer of extra-political government.
Personally, I think Scott is being too charitable. While his analysis might have been accurate in the early '60s, ever since the Chamber of Commerce memorandum by Lewis Powell in 1971 this accidental alignment has become much more organized and intentional.
Remember that it doesn't take a lot of people to make a really big mess of things. How many did it take to set the corporate culture at Enron? Or to destroy FEMA?
I'm not sure exactly how true all that is -- obviously it's something whose truth could be a matter of degree -- but it's not obviously wacky, as some commenters here seem to think.