Great interview.  He mentioned something that has interested me for a while....

"RH: In the U.S. I'm sad to say, the deep leadership, not the people we elect but the people who are actually making the decisions, are aware of the general trend of events. They see the American standard of living cannot be supported. Rather than informing the American people of this and asking for a national consensus based on a shared willingness to cooperatively reduce living standards, what they're doing is to quietly put in place the mechanisms for an authoritarian regime. When the time comes they will enforce that on the American people. How that will come about, when, I don't know."

Who are these people, the "deep leadership...who are actually making the decisions"?  I haven't read Heinberg's book yet, so forgive me if he's already covered this.  I would just be interested in knowing who these people are, so that I can watch what they are doing to prepare for what's coming.

I generally agree with the concept of peak oil, but from everything I have read, it's hard for me to decide whether it's an immediate problem or a problem for 30 years from now.  I guess if I could watch watch the actions of certain powerful, influential people (i.e., people who should have good information), and their actions are consistent with somebody who is preparing for life after the peak, that would help me decide whether the problem is imminent.

Of course you can look at folks like Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, etc. But the elites that are really "behind" (or simply confused) about all this reside in places like boards of Wall Street, senior positions at the CIA, consultants for either organization, CEOs and other people who are very powerful, and often wealthy. That is not say that there is some grand conspiracy or meetings of "America's Elites" per se. I would encourage you to look at the idea of elites as a structural thing. Our capitalistic/government subsidized structure encourages the consolidation of ridiculous amounts of wealth and power. If you are one of those "lucky few" you either give it all away (as some do) or figure out how you're going to hold onto (given the information you have), or land somewhere in between. I guess when you see all the super super wealthy/powerful moving into exclusive neighborhoods, taking their money out of stocks, pacifying the public through coerced consent (in corporate media), and activating the frameworks (that have existed for a while now in some cases) for authoritarian rule you would be advised to be afraid. Much, if not all of that has happened. It may not be blatantly obvious, and frankly yelling that there is an elite conspiracy from every street corner is probably not the best approach, but keeping in mind the following things will probably be a good guide. All those rich people A) do not deserve what they have B) probably don't care about you all that much C) really want to hold onto it, at all costs, and are probably smart enough to do it.

And as for knowing when we're on the peak, "we won't know until after the fact" and neither will they, but as can be seen now, it is pretty clear we're approaching the plateu (or hopefully the mountain pass).

I'm not sure about this notion of a structural "deep elite." Warren Buffet would certainly qualify as a member of this elite, but his political views bear very little resemblance to the Bush administration's. As for your point about "all those rich people who do not deserve what they have": what does "deserve" mean, anyway? Do you really want the government to take all the money from the rich because they don't "deserve" it and give it to others whom the government thinks are somehow more "deserving"? I believe we already ran that experiment in the 20th century. It didn't work out so well.

Your other points are truisms. It ain't only the rich who don't really care about other folks, and it ain't only the rich who want to keep what they have.

P. D. Scott, in his book "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK" gives what I think is the canonical elucidation of deep politics or deep leadership.  He maintains that it is not in any sense a conspiracy.  It is simply that there are a number of people and organizations in our society that have large amounts of non-political power, but whose actions impinge on the political arena.  They end up reinforcing each other, not because there are any agreements (formal or informal) in place, but simply because their interests and actions are aligned.  Scott identifies the traditional military-industrial complex, other large corporations, the intelligence agencies and organized crime as major players.  To this I think today we can add right-wing religious movements - especially those with a Dominionist flavour.

It's not that they set out to create a "shadow government" - it's just that power works always for its own advantage, and those with money will always seek to pull the political levers.  The fact that all this lever-pulling has similar goals even though it comes from many different organizations is what gives the appearance of a layer of extra-political government.

Personally, I think Scott is being too charitable.  While his analysis might have been accurate in the early '60s, ever since the Chamber of Commerce memorandum by Lewis Powell in 1971 this accidental alignment has become much more organized and intentional.

It makes sense to me that because people with similar interests, degrees of wealth and world views will act in an aligned way, there is no need for a conscious conspiracy to exist for it to appear that there is. There appears to be a conspiracy when there is mainly a cohesion of values, interests, and goals among people of similar backgrounds and wealth. Since people in the 'deep leadership' stratum of society also have a lot of corporate, institutional and governmental clout, naturally their perspectives, values and interests are going to show up in the decisions made by the governing bodies of corporations, institutions and government. This overall picture doesn't preclude sub-sets of the 'deep leadership' having highly intentional programs for achieving what I'll call retrogressive (or authoritarian) ends. For example, Tom DeLay (more a demagogue than a 'deep leader') and his pals were highly intentional in their makeover of Congressional districting in Texas.
Add to that a little cronyism, and a little bit of overlap and connections between the groups, and you get a lot of back-channel communication that can help to synchronize their separate efforts. That doesn't require conspiracy; just communication that's not completely open.

Remember that it doesn't take a lot of people to make a really big mess of things. How many did it take to set the corporate culture at Enron? Or to destroy FEMA?

Regarding the whole issue of "Deep Leadership:"  There is a classic book by left-wing sociologist C. Wright Mills which discusses this topic.  It is called THE POWER ELITE, "power elite" being essentially a synonym for "Deep Leadership."  Even though it came out in 1956, I think many of its lines of analysis have enduring value.  In some way, I think, its relevance as a classic for the Peak Oil movement is analogous to that of William Catton's OVERSHOOT.
I don't think Heinberg formulated much of a "conspiracy theory" at all. Basically all he said is that insofar as any long term choices are being made at all, they're not  being made by elected politicians but by the people who own the elected politicians; that those people are more or less aware that our "non-negotiable" American Way of Life is unsustainable; and their choices are moving us in the direction of authoritarian government to deal with that fact.

I'm not sure exactly how true all that is -- obviously it's something whose truth could be a matter of degree -- but it's not obviously wacky, as some commenters here seem to think.