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70 comments on Can Acts of God and Bush Explain the Plateau?

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neuroil on January 4, 2006 - 8:12am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
My intuitive idea was the following : at a given moment in the world there will always be x% of production cut out because that is the way things work. So the slope of the actual flow of oil is the real display of the underlying capacity. But now this feeling has its statistical demonstration which is very comforting.

In this overall picture, I don't know if the individual behaviour of such or such country will matter a lot : an increase or decrease in production in one point can and will be compensated by another event elsewhere. This is the effect of international competition modulated by random events.

I'm looking forward on how you will integrate the refining capacity into this picture. Will you try to show that this is or not a factor in this actual plateau ? I don't believe that the constraint of refining capacity is the main facteur in the 2005 production plateau because if this would be teh case, the crude price should drop dramatically while endproducts should become very expensive or not ?

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Cherenkov on January 4, 2006 - 2:18pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
If you have less refinery capacity, in effect not enough to process all the available crude, then doesn't that mean that crude supplies pile up waiting to be processed? Doesn't that mean that crude prices should fall as the stuff lays about waiting for processing? Wouldn't we be swimming in unprocessed crude? Doesn't that mean a disconnect between crude prices and refined product prices? Is that what we are seeing now?
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louGrinzo on January 4, 2006 - 3:57pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Crude prices will only fall in the face of a lack of refinery capacity if the oil producers keep pumping at a higher than needed rate.  The oil producing companies and countries are generally very good at modulating output to maintain at least an acceptable price level.

In theory it would work as you say, but in reality the decision-making entities involved react in real time to the situation.

This is a good example of why I'm so unhappy with many of the static analyses (both optimistic and pessimistic) I see about energy issues--there is very often just one little, buit ever so critical, detail missing from the model that makes all the difference.

(And please don't take this as a criticism of you, Cherenkov.  I'm talking about the extremists from the ends of the bell curve here, not the ration TODdlers.)

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