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And what about heat? The excess heat produced by a nuclear power plant built within 30 miles of the city could be piped in and used to keep New York City buildings warm. Wind and solar aren't going to do that.
Wind may well not be the ultimate solution - I don't personally believe it is, but throwing around numbers like "1600 square miles" is meaningless without context - are you just trying to scare people, or yourself?
As I mentioned in another reply here (probably was thinking of your post) - electricity can easily provide heating very efficiently through ground-source geothermal (geo-exchange) technology - typically the heating provided is equivalent to 4-5 times the electric energy supplied. Much better than piping hot fluids from neighboring nuclear plants, I would think!
I used to live in Holland so I have plenty of experience of being around wind turbines.
There was a lengthy discussion recently about the merits of nuclear versus other alternatives, here.
I would appreciate any information you could provide about the electricity-to-heat technology you describe.
See additional comments linked to your post below.
There are three long-term solutions: one is to greatly improve electric transmission so inconstancy is averaged over a larger area (ultimately Buckminster Fuller's idea of a world grid). The second is greatly improved (and cheper) energy storage - enabling electric vehicles provides some other incentives for that too, and may actually be part of the solution.
The third long term solution is to go where the sun does shine constantly - off-planet. Space solar power in various forms has been seriously proposed for almost 30 years now, with some minor demonstrations of transmission feasibility etc, but not much real research effort. The Japanese are spending a few million dollars on it right now though - there's a suborbital experiment on zero-g robotic construction coming up in the next few weeks that should be interesting.
So yes we have some real challenges, but so does nuclear power. Let's spend the money on real R&D now, and let them all compete on as fair a basis as we can make it. It's my belief that one of the primary energy technologies (probably not wind, and not once-through nuclear fission) will become the dominant energy source of the future, with a majority of the market thanks to cost effectiveness. But none of them are there yet; we need a lot more R&D.
http://www.geoexchange.org/
The Comparing Systems page gives some useful numbers.
I asked Stoneleigh, a person with some first-hand knowledge about these types of systems, for his perspective with regard to providing heat, especially in colder climates. Our exchange is under the Open Thread News Drop section.
Here's the link to the company up here NRG Systems.Just passing it along in case you haven't seen this particular site.