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Virtual Ipecac on October 20, 2006 - 6:47pm Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
To start off the evening, a USS Eisenhower-related story:

IRAN: U.S. MULLING MILITARY STRIKE, EXPERTS SAY

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.351648122&par=

Rumors about a possible American intervention in Iran have been intensifying after the US government deployed a naval strike group to the Straits of Hormuz, off the Iranian coast. The war ships - which include the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier U.S.S. Eisenhower, a cruiser, a destroyer, a frigate, a submarine and a supply ship - are scheduled to arrive in the Straits on Saturday.

The mission of the strike group is not known, but according to reports in the Iranian press, the war ships have been sent to the Gulf to launch a military attack against Teheran.

Parsi said he has no specific knowledge of the operation, but added he wouldn't be surprised if the Bush administration had taken actual steps towards a military strike.

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SelfAggrandizedTrader on October 21, 2006 - 1:25am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
If Bush is crazy enough to do Iran, we should all be doomers.  

I guess it's a win-win for Russia, SA, Exxon, UAE, Venezuela, etc., though.

Keep following that boat, DragonFly41.

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Oil CEO on October 21, 2006 - 2:02am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I don't quite get this. I haven't been following TOD as closely as I used to, but I've noticed these references.

Do you think Ipecac is Dragonfly? Ipecac is new, granted, and there is something vaguely similar to (actually) several other previous posters. Though, I don't feel Dragonfly is one of them. But who knows.

I definitely get the feel VI has been here before, knows what he is doing, and has changed his name.

Only Super G would know.

I of course won't get into the Iran thing at this point. I've spent way too much time, as have others, debunking this stuff in the past.

Iran ain't going to happen is how I'll sum it up. Or at least not this year and definitely not before the election. How ridiculous.

I like his name though. Makes you want to puke. Rock on, VI.

By the way, It's about time the Angry Chimpster stopped by for a chat. Some of us seriously miss you, brother. Maybe you could teach BrianT a thing or two.

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SelfAggrandizedTrader on October 21, 2006 - 2:32am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
No, it's him.  It's DragonFly41.  I'm sure of it.

It's just that this USS Eisenhower thing has given him a consitancy-of-message he never had before.  

He'll probably drop in and confess sometime tomorrow morning.  He gets up early to re-arrange his furniture.

 

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SelfAggrandizedTrader on October 21, 2006 - 2:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Don't be too quick to knock his Iran theory either.  

One man's spoon is another man's aircraft carrier.

Bush is stirring the pot.

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Oil CEO on October 21, 2006 - 2:50am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hahahaa. You crack me up. You may be right. We'll be looking for Dragon's response in the morning, I guess. Damn, you're serious, aren't you.

I've got a couple of other names in mind. I'll try to remember them. You forget, I've been around a little longer.

I'm just glad Kevembuangga's gone. Maybe I spoke too soon. Plenty of people wish I was gone. Soon. Soon.

The Iran stuff ususally comes from MUDLOGGER. At least he's the only one can put it together coherently. AlistairC does OK, too.

This is still a mystery to me. Dragonfly doesn't move like that. Maybe I'm getting faked out in my old age.

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Kevembuangga on October 23, 2006 - 3:18am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I'm just glad Kevembuangga's gone.

Too soon...

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Oil CEO on October 23, 2006 - 8:08am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Ahhaha. I got you.  I am the Master Baiter after all. Where you been buddy? You've lost your touch. Time to get unrusted.

Rust never sleeps. Perhaps your time away has changed your views?

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Oil CEO on October 21, 2006 - 2:57am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Yeah, well he can stir the pot all he wants. My Mom makes the best soup. I always try to smoke the pot. Bush just wanted to be captain of the Dodgeball team. He ended up President. So draw any conclusions you want.
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Oilrig medic on October 21, 2006 - 9:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
CEO

Dragonfly changed his/her name acouple days ago because the government was making him/her sick or something.  

matt

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Oilrig medic on October 21, 2006 - 9:57am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Virtual Ipecac on Thursday October 12, 2006 at 3:20 PM EST
"Just FYI...this is formerly Dragonfly41...I changed to Virtual Ipecac today since today's conversations left me with this feeling. "
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Virtual Ipecac on October 21, 2006 - 10:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Thanks...yes...not trying to hide the fact...I'd been Dragonfly41 for over a year and just wanted a name change...something that reflected how I felt going into another round of elections...it all makes me want to hurl.
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Oil CEO on October 21, 2006 - 2:13pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Are you guys fucking with me again? I only trust OilRig for now. There musta been something in that "special" enchilada sauce. Whoa! I think I gotta lie down. I'll see you guys on Monday. I better not have my eyebrows shaved-off, cuz I'll know who to blame. Fleam.
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kjmclark on October 21, 2006 - 9:09am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
On the face of it, one carrier battle group doesn't seem enough to do the job.  I think Oil CEO's right and we're just flexing some muscle in the neighborhood.  

On the other hand, isn't there always a carrier in the SOH anyway?  Two aircraft carriers could actually do something.  Add to that an unknown number of cruise-missile carrying submarines in the area, an unknown number of ground-based cruise missiles at our bases in Iraq and the rest of the area, and a day's worth of lead time to launch stealth fighters and bombers from around the world, and we could always be surprised.

There's also the possibility of an Israeli strike.  If we expected the Israelis to hit Iran, it might be prudent on our part to send an additional carrier battle group to the Strait to deal with any counterattacks from the Iranians.  And imagine if the Iranians were to attack us (this battle group) before the election.

Finally, if we were to do anything, I wouldn't expect it before election day.  Any shots fired would send oil and gas prices skyrocketing on or by election day.  Not a good plan for the Republicans, unless the Iranians fire the first shots.

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beechdriver on October 21, 2006 - 11:24am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
At this point it looks like the repubs are toast anyway - what do they have to lose?
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Oil CEO on October 21, 2006 - 2:18pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Amazingly simple. Yet effective. It's called logic. But you know this. I've called you smart before. I'll do it again.
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wwswimming on October 21, 2006 - 11:18am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

attacking Iran is politically acceptable in Israel, perhaps more than in the US.

a fake attack a la Gulf of Tonkin so Bu$hco can say, "hay !  we've been attacked too"

when ?  they've thrown up this "wall of craziness", concomitant with "could happen any time in the next 3 months".

the US is already at war with Iran, on 2 fronts - proxy funded war with the US funding Israel & Iran funding Hezbollah, and regular small bombing missions (in Iran) by US & British (and maybe Israel) troops.

so it's a tinderbox and GW is playing with matches - whilst believing that he is "doing God's will" AND invulnerable to fire !

not a healthy recipe.

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Oilrig medic on October 21, 2006 - 11:28am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"the US is already at war with Iran, on 2 fronts - proxy funded war with the US funding Israel & Iran funding Hezbollah, and regular small bombing missions (in Iran) by US & British (and maybe Israel) troops."

Can you present evidence of airstrikes in Iran?

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