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First off: Congratulations on your promotion and coming relocation to Scotland! I wish you and your family the very best!
Next, thanks for this keypost [loved the humor of the technical wording for a cast-iron fireplace]. Those of us without extensive technical knowledge can be bamboozled and led astray by becoming confused by engineering arcana. Perhaps this is exactly what Vinod Khosla is hoping for to suck in investors in his KERGY venture, then quickly bail out by profitably selling his stake. I found it telling that he refused to answer your specific, non-proprietary request on what made the patent unique.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
I want to make it clear that I don't claim that the patent is bogus. The patent examiner, after looking it over, decided there was enough novelty to grant the patent. All I am trying to point out is that certain reports that liken this to the discovery of fire are way off base. The reason this is important is that some believe that this patent will suddenly turn "cellulosic ethanol" from a uneconomical venture to a profitable one. In truth, this will mean some incremental cost advantage over the capital costs of biomass gasification. That is certainly good, but we shouldn't get carried away with expectations. I won't want us to take our eye off the fact that we are going to have to power down, and this is not the magic solution that saves us.
I really think the reason Khosla didn't answer the question I asked is that he probably wasn't quite sure. That's not a knock on him, because that is not his area of expertise. I don't expect him to know the technical details intimately. I just read the patent twice, am familiar with gasification, and the novelty didn't jump out at me. I read the claims, and found myself asking "why are those novel?"
But that's the way patents work. I have been involved in some like that myself. Joe Blow invents process X, and claims that it works from 800 degrees to 1400 degrees. We come in and do the same process at 700 degrees and file a patent. That's the way most patents go.
Gasification is important if your feedstock is a solid i.e. coal or biomass but not so if your feedstock is already a gas and both production paths require a highly selective EtOH catalyst.
Yeah, it wasn't at all clear to me what they were doing on the back end, or whether they have figured that piece out. Due to the limited number of people working on syngas to ethanol, I thought maybe they were talking to Syntec about the back half of the process.