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My initial thought was, will this cause an increase in retail prices of many imported products from China?
Emissions should be calculated, like efficiency, throughout the entire production/consumption process. Don't hold your breath on that one.
As for the article, it talks about commodities, not finished products, an important distinction. Still, there's no doubt prices for and at Wal-Mart will rise. China, so keen on export, underestimates its growing domestic demand, which rises with the economy, at over 10% a year.
Which in turn may also be behind the decision to slow down commodities and/or half-products export. If they can't keep feeding the rising appetite at home, there's trouble looming.
1.3 billion people have seen a dangling carrot. Better not take it away.
From the above, we can already clearly see how inadequate that well-intentioned plan is. Since a car produces 1/3 of its pollution before it hits the showroom, the card should certainly apply to those purchases as well, if it has to have any serious meaning and effect.
I see the carbon card a good idea in the opposite direction - for rebating the tax on a certain carbon allowance back to the people. This would make it much more fair and socially acceptable.
Not 1/3. According to the ILCA, it's 10%.
A simple carbon tax will roll the cost in automatically. That's why it's so important.
Dirty from cradle to grave
If you'd paid attention, you would have noticed that your link talks of things like "cubic meters of polluted air", a rather elastic measurement (if you concentrate or dilute the emissions, you can make the numbers into whatever you want them to be). Last, it's a newspaper article duplicated on a personal site. You should be citing - and reading - the original source; there's no telling what the reporter decided to leave out.
Frankly, it looks as though the difference is largely down to the amount that the vehicle is driven and the Heidelberg research including the eventual disposal, which the Carnegie Mellon research left out. Europeans drive less so that manufacture is a bigger percentage, Americans drive more so manufacture is a smaller percentage.
My initial thought was, will this cause an increase in retail prices of many imported products from China?"
My take on that is that they're trying to contain the exportation of the raw materials...not the finished product. They can probably get more for the raw materials elsewhere and thus export it rather than use it domestically for their own finished products export. It may very well turn out to be a wash, or could lower prices of finished products from China.
The article stated that China planned to raise taxes on exports for copper, nickel, aluminum, steel, and other energy-intensive commodities and to ALSO lower import tarrifs on same. This would serve to decrease domestic production and thereby lower the domestic energy expended on such production. Essentially, it appears to be an indirect (and some might say, sneaky) way of importing energy, and thus freeing up the displaced energy for domestic use.
I agree that whether this move will raise prices for certain Chinese export goods is a tough call. I suppose it depends on the differential between what it really costs the Chinese to produce these commodities and what they will have to pay after they start importing them. The various currency relationships now become a factor that could further complicate things.
I also sense that this move might indicate a growing desperation on the part of the Chinese regarding future energy supplies. Increasing one's dependence on imported commodities tends to also increase one's vulnerability to supply disruption. Then again, the question would be: is it better to be more dependent on imported copper, nickel, etc. or to be more dependent on imported fossil fuel? The Chinese appear to have decided that the former is the lesser of two evils.
There is also the possibiliry that certain rare earths which are utilized in high tech defense industries may also be included. If so the implications for US defense industries will be enormous.
Jimbojim39
I've always had a hard time understanding things related to international currency matters, balance of payments, and the like.
Let's see: if China reduces it's exports of commodity metals, then that would lessen the inflow of dollars (and other foreign currencies). That I think I understand. Now if they also encourage the import of commodity metals, then that would imply that they are willing to get more Chinese currency out there in exchange for tangible materials that they can then manufacture into value-added products, much of which is for export and which will result (as it does now) in an influx of dollars, etc.
So, I have a bit of difficulty in understanding what is being done to whom and what is flowing where. Will they now buy copper from the US and thus help our balance of payments problem (but increase our domestic industrial energy consumption) ? Or what?
One thing I think might happen is that by taking a certain amount of commodity metals off the market, China could cause a rise in the global market price of such, depending, of course, on the current size of their commodity metals exports in relation to the volume typically traded.
I don't fully understand this, but I get a feeling that is is not a good development for the US.
I'm not enthused about coal-fired anything, but if we need steel and such to put up wind farms and rebuild our rail system, I'm willing to look at the trade-offs.