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Each country that refuses or fights it means that the rest have to work that much harder doing it just to stand still and of course that does put them at a serious dis-advantage economically compared to the country's that do not follow it.
Sure, we are unlikely to powerdown when gasoline is around two bucks a gallon. You tell me, would our commitment really be exactly the same when gasoline is ten, or twenty bucks for the same gallon?
let me give you a example, during the great new york blizzard at bars milk was served more often then bear. not because the milk would spoil. but because it became a status symbol to those who could afford it after the price spike. people bought it simply to have a glass of it, to tell people around them that they can afford it.
this will happen with gas, the more the price rises the more people who can afford it will use it because the more it will become a status symbol.
Of course the joke is that neither one really means anything. They are both stupid point cases in a broader (and "uncollapsed") economy.
Now I'm boggled that you want to continue down to ... river beds? You are a long way afield from the original question.
My comment:
Please realize that treaties and agreements and arrangements and understandings are what we do as social animals. Creating a 'logical' case for the war of all against all does nothing to describe the world in which we live.
the kyoto protocol and the power-down protocol are technically a treaties but they requires all country's sign on and agree to what it says.
a normal treaty is only between a small handful of country's, this treaty has one thing kyoto and and what a peaceful power-down lack. the counter weight that there will be immediate consequences if the treaty is broken by either a governing body like the U.N. or the neighboring country's to the ones who signed the treaty.
In this respect it is like other international treaties, such as for example the treaty banning the production and use of landmines.
In August of 2006, 165 nations were signatories to the Kyoto Protocol.
The USA keeps turning up on the list of non-signatories to international treaties aimed at improving the lot of humanity. This appears to be linked to a special dispensation from God. Or perhaps a pact with Satan.
tell me what punitive measures the current signature nations are doing to punish the nations that do not sign on if they truly do care about this planet?
economic sanctions?
withdrawing any and all diplomatic ties?
military action?
the future of our plant is at stake and playing politics wont help. each nation not signing makes it harder for the rest if not impossible.