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moreoilplease on November 14, 2006 - 10:07am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Robert,

Unfortunately most people (including most educated people) seem to prefer living in their dumbfounded bliss of conspiracy, and evil master plots.

I have found that when dicussing the realities of fuel / oil / gas prices, most people do not understand the supply and demand dynamic, they assume it's due to Bush, or big oil.  You even see this rhetoric in the senate and house, now whether it's to gain votes or these people actually believe this I don't know.

Ignorance is bliss... I used to know nothing of Peak oil.

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eric blair on November 14, 2006 - 10:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Unfortunately most people (including most educated people) seem to prefer living in their dumbfounded bliss of conspiracy, and evil master plots.

When there is evidence of 'evil master plots' like:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=b urning+of+the+german+parliament&spell=1
Burning of the Reichstag
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/press_releases/1996/1030.htm
Price fixing Lysine
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=lavon+affair&btnG=Search
Lavon affair   Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt were bombed
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=operation+northwoods&btnG=Search
Operation Northwoods

(I would go further back in history of other 'evil master plots', but my history knowledge is lacking, and the list could get quite long)

What are you offering as a solution so the past 'evil master plots' don't happen in the future?   I've advocated open, transperant government and corporations...not like it will happen however.   What is your solution, beyond calling others 'dumbfounded bliss of conspiracy,'?

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oldhippie on November 14, 2006 - 7:33pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
You got it all wrong eric. Enron got a bad rap. Imagine thinking you could staff a whole corporation with persons who had no ethics. That no one would blow the whistle. Imagine that the entire business press would laud a thoroughly corrupt organization as the best corporation in the world.
That could never happen.
Imagine that politicians and regulators at every level would grease the skids for a corrupt conspiracy like Enron.
No that could never happen.
Imagine that one corporation with basically no non-fictive assets could rig the electric markets in the state of California and steal billions and do it in broad daylight. And buy a new governor to halt investigation.
No eric that could never happen you've been wearing the tinfoil hat way too long.
Imagine that years after all was in the open the conspirators would still find defenders and enablers.
And the news media would feed any suggestion that Enron was being picked on and that the sweet old (rich) men who fleeced us all were being prosecuted unfairly.
eric blair you are so out of line thinking corporate America is not the tooth fairy.
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step back on November 15, 2006 - 4:23am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Spot on Oldhippie.

People at Enron could never have gotten together in smoke filled rooms and around conspiratorial roundtables to plot and put together fictious corporate entitities named after raptors, not with all those lawyers, accountants and government oversight beaureacracies watching over them. No way. It's impossible that so many people can join in to form a conspiracy of fools and no one would squeal --for years and years.

And it could have never happened at WorldCom either.

Nor at Adelphia.

Nor at countless other places.

And no way that "they" could be conspiring to backdate stock options with everyone watching over their shoulders!

Only a blithering village idiot could conceive of such conspiracies (ha ha ha) being cobbled together day after day, in this, the bestest and noblest government in the whole world that money can buy off!

The proof is in the ad hominen attack verbage.
Make sure to never be confused by the facts.
Reality is not what it seems.

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