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371 comments on Does the Peak Oil "Myth" Just Fall Down? -- Our Response to CERA

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southpaw on November 16, 2006 - 11:38pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I'd like to ask someone from CERA or the Iron Triangle a simple question.  

If we are so flush with energy, then why is it that today I received the third mailing from my local utility company offering a $25 energy credit in return for allowing them to install a device that periodically shuts off the air conditioner during times of peak usage?  I also received a telephone call from a pushy company rep with the same offer.

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Hothgor on November 17, 2006 - 2:22am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
More appropriately, someone should be asking you why you feel the need to constantly run your AC when your not even home knowing that our energy supply is so precarious...
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Hurin on November 17, 2006 - 5:41am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Do you even read what you're typing dumbass.

The utility company must have sent that letter to all their customers.

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jokuhl on November 17, 2006 - 7:33am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Shushhh!  He's lucky just to have Hothgor coming to his house, to check on his energy habits.  He should feel honored.
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Hothgor on November 17, 2006 - 11:44am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Because Americans are extremely wasteful of their energy.  The point still stands and there is no reason to get indignant about about it:

You don't need to keep your house at 65F durring the summer while your not even home.  Turn it off or turn it up and save some energy.

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southpaw on November 17, 2006 - 4:25pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hothgor, changing the subject or setting up a strawman doesn't make for a reasonable exchange.  Your assumptions about my personal energy use habits are wrong, even so, such assumptions were irrelevant to the topic.  Rudeness is not a subsitute for a reasoned response.  
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Hothgor on November 17, 2006 - 9:58pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Your power company should be applauded for making an attempt to reduce energy waste on a massive scale.  It's a shame you cant see both sides of the issue.
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southpaw on November 18, 2006 - 10:11pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I don't oppose conservation or responsible behavior.  In fact, I practice it to a degree that very few others can match.  So, it is not a matter of seeing one side or another.

The topic of the main posting is that CERA and other like minded groups are implying that ff production capacity is not reaching its limits and can meet projected demand.  If that is the case, then it does not follow that utility companies would be worried about not being able to meet demand.  The large metropolitan area I live in already had an incident last winter when the utility company was forced to shut off power to large areas due to lack of natural gas.  Personally, I see this as a harbinger - but that is my take.

I understand that utility company problems are multifactorial, but this was beyond the scope of the simple point I was making.  You were not even on the same page.  Heck, you were not looking at the same book.

Try not to be so overreactive.  Your views may be in the minority on TOD, but having a thoughtful and polite tone will go far in allowing others to consider any valid points you may make.  

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ImSceptical on February 4, 2007 - 3:48pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

I would like to point out your original post is irrelevant. There are many reasons for electric companies wanting to reduce demand during peak periods, many of them financial.
And your story about your utility having to shut off power because of a natural gas shortage? This post was about liquids.

PS. I agree that Hothgor was rude.

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Nick on February 5, 2007 - 4:03pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top

ImSceptical was right. This kind of program has very good justifications that are unrelated to fuel shortages.

It's called "demand management". It can be much cheaper to pay people to allow the utility to turn off their demand at peak, versus building new generation capacity just for peak demand.

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grumsey on November 20, 2006 - 10:49am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
do keep in mind that this may be due to inadequate and/or congested distribution lines in a particular geography, not neccessarily bulk electric energy availability, or limitations on fossil fuels to produce same.

in any case, i applaud energy conservation efforts for whatever reason.

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