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Perhaps, I'm naive here, but I see the Democrats victory as people saying, "we tried the global oil grab method, let's try something else".
The neocons blamed Vietnam for making the U.S. skittish of military involvement for a generation or more. Iraq was supposed to be the fix - the low-hanging fruit that cured America of its Vietnam-induced war phobia. Instead, the opposite has has happened. The phobia has been reinforced.
I don't know if it will last as long this time. If gas gets to $10 or $20 a gallon, maybe people will decide it's time for another oil war. But I really think they'll think twice, given the way Iraq turned out.
I think your answers alone show that I should be pessimistic. Iraq'03 is everything else but the first oil grab in US history. Yes, maybe it is the most apparent and bombastic one, but our military and political might has been working on the same task for decades now. Yes, the means are becoming harsher and the resistence from the 'locals' is growing, but generally we have been pretty much consistant in what is euphemiristically called "securing the oil supplies".
Going back in time, there have been a number of US wars and interventions in the ME, either directly or through the "outpost" (Israel). After all this history spreading into several generation, what do you think they think in the Middle East when our leaders are asking with all the innocence they can gather about "Why do they hate us?". Do you think they don't feel all the hypocricy of this question?
Back to the future - now that the public has largely forgotten Iraq'90, Iran'80s etc. what is the guarantee that it will not forget Iraq'03 and the next time elect another "supercowboy" that would make Bush look like a toddler? Looking at the attitude towards Iran, Venezuella or Russia (the only exporters we don't have much control of) even at those bargain 60$/barrel, I can only imagine what will happen when it gets to the triple digits.
With all that has gone on since 2000, we still have not had countrywide lines at gas stations, rationing, or widespread panic. These types of events can change people's minds quickly.
There was never any nationwide shortage of gasoline.
The problem is how will we react as it inevitably happens (I am generally assuming that we'll do nothing really efficient until it starts to bite - complacency rulez!). I am mostly concerned about what I see as a double-facedness of our society - polite, moral and compasionate on the surface, but capable of accepting all kinds of bad things happening, as long as they don't happen to us. You can see that I am not an optimist about which side will show up.
We go about our daily business, but one half of the brain is in reaction-mode...What will I do when X happens? Where can I take my family when X happens?
This has made people more edgey and snappy. The dark side of the double face creeping up to the surface.
Leanan...what is that Star Trek episode with the half white/half black faced alien?
And I agree with you about that waiting for disaster thing. Remember that essay Peggy Noonan wrote?
A Separate Peace: America is in trouble--and our elites are merely resigned.
I'm not exactly a big fan of hers, but I think she's onto something with that essay.
I remember skimming that article by Peggy Noonan way back when...wow..that was written on October 27, 2005.
How appropriate it is now to read it again a year later. I want to pull two pieces out so people will read it:
This passage at the beginning of the essay:
And this one at the end of the essay:
If people were wondering why the elections occurred the way they did, I think this article hits the nail squarely on the head.
Thanks Leanan, once again for finding the pertinent documents to fit the discussion at hand.
One of the great achievements of the US society and government is that people can change the elites when the elites need changing, without killing them.
It happened with the Puritan theocracy. It happened with the British (opps, had to kill some of them!) Andy Jackson shook up the New England mercantile class and party hardy in the White House. Teddy Rooseveldt put the kaboosh on the robber baron plutocracy. Reagan did a number on the New Dealers.
It will happen again and it seems like past time.
We'll get through it OK if we keep our heads about us.
But....the frontiersmen he represented, the Westerners, killed the Bank of the United States, ended many protective tariffs, and opened further lands for settlement.
The broke the control of the East Coast Hamiltonians and Federalists.