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Leanan on December 19, 2006 - 1:13pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What can I say, I'm a very imaginative person.  ;-)

I've also seen what people do to public infrastructure now, just for profit or out of random vandalism.

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InfinitePossibilities on December 19, 2006 - 2:54pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
"What can I say, I'm a very imaginative person."

Then why not use that imagination to help solve the problems rather than to paint gloom and doom on every wall?

;-)

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Leanan on December 19, 2006 - 3:47pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What makes you think I'm not?
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InfinitePossibilities on December 20, 2006 - 5:57pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Your negativism. Maybe you just don't know how to advertise? There is nothing wrong with being positive, you know. The only thing that is flat out wrong is to be un-realistic.
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Darwinian on December 19, 2006 - 4:19pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Then why not use that imagination to help solve the problems rather than to paint gloom and doom on every wall?

You know something Infinite, Peak oil IS the solution to most of the problems Mother Earth is suffering from.

Ron Patterson

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Samsara on December 19, 2006 - 10:42pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Dead on Ron.

Mother Nature Bats Last.

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InfinitePossibilities on December 20, 2006 - 5:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
If that were to be true, we also needed to see peak coal and peak methane within a decade. We won't... Earth's atmosphere was thick with CO2 in the past and too much of it got sequestered into forms that can be released. Sorry to burst your bubble... reality is more complex than your version of it.
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DelusionaL on December 19, 2006 - 3:26pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
yes, mostly meth addicts here but they are a problem.  Our local utility has a magazine with an article about some guy who got into a power substation to steal @$20.00 worth of copper wire only to get himself electrocuted.
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Leanan on December 19, 2006 - 3:50pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What about that incident in Germany, where someone dug up three miles of railroad track and sold it for scrap?  That wasn't meth addicts.  IIRC, they said it was probably organized crime.  

There was something about all the aluminum luggage carts in Sweden or some such place being stolen and sold for scrap.  

And in China, people are falling through the street because hundreds of thousands of steel manhole covers have been stolen.

It's not just we rowdy Americans.

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DelusionaL on December 19, 2006 - 3:59pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
OMG look at what we can learn from the true "leaders" in "recycling".  3 miles of track WOW!!

Some funny stuff you just can't make up.

Ever read the darwin awards? - often given post-mortem to those who do us a favor and remove themselves from the gene pool.

Other good reading are the Buller Lyton (sp?) awards for bad writing.  some very good stuff...
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JimK on December 19, 2006 - 8:53pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Edward Bulwer Lytton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bulwer-Lytton,_1st_Baron_Lytton

Not half as bad a writer as all the jokes make him out to be! Pelham must have been a big influence on Dickens. The scenes from the wrong side of the tracks in London are quite vivid. Though of course they didn't have tracks in those days!

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expat on December 20, 2006 - 2:03am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I found a link - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1709261.html?menu=news.quirkies.strangecrime and this was a fairly unusual, but not exactly infrastructure destroying crime in terms of some desperate person bringing down part of the grid for a few dollars.

And it fits into a certain German tradition, stretching back to this incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptmann_von_K%C3%B6penick

Nonetheless, the 'scavenging' of infrastructure will certainly happen more into the future, no argument.

Of course, no one is stealing the huge number of bicycles left at the stations for steel or rubber yet - and I don't expect it to happen, if only because then some sort of security will be implemented - which already tends to exist at train stations here.

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InfinitePossibilities on December 20, 2006 - 6:04pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Power lines have a mechanism to protect themselves from thieves... they usually kill them. And even if you are very skilled, how long until someone notices? Approx. 120us for a 15 mile long power line. The speed of light is fast...

:-)

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DelusionaL on December 20, 2006 - 11:21am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Gives new meaning to the word "derailment" .-)
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InfinitePossibilities on December 20, 2006 - 6:01pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Let me know when the world copper market collapses because of copper thiefs.

:-)

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DelusionaL on December 19, 2006 - 3:30pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Leanan,  great links (above) by the way.  The one on the coming oil wars is rather bleak looking for the US.  Also peak debt. Sure makes you wonder...how soon and how fast/slow does something tip the scales.
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