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Inventories are crashing, and demand is up. So, what are the options? Do you 1). Raise prices and have people cry conspiracy; 2). Keep prices steady and start rationing gasoline; or 3). Just risk having lower inventories?
In my opinion, higher prices are inevitable (and they have been trending higher). But I would have thought after yesterday's surprising inventory draw, gasoline futures would have spiked.
The last page of the perpetual inventories thread at PO.com has some interesting discussion.
However, gasoline doesn't get into the system as soon as refineries come up. So, next week may be a better indicator. If refining capacity stays above 90% and gasoline inventories are still falling, buy gasoline futures.
One thing they could do would be to run an advertising campaign calling for increased conservation. (Chevron is already doing this to some extent via http://www.willyoujoin.com). Think they'd every do that on a large scale?
But how could they "allow" these spot shortages, given the transparency of the refinery utilization number? That has been one of my main points in this argument. Refinery utilization, and the demand numbers are publicly available. They show that demand for this time of year is at record levels. Refinery capacity is pretty much maxed out as it is, and then you have huge demand in turnaround season. I certainly don't need to appeal to any shady business to explain what's going on.
Having said that, as Robert knows (and has acknowledged), I have been predicting for some time a renewed bidding war for declining exports in the fourth quarter.
I think that we are in the very early stages of an epic collision between expectations of exponentially declining imports into the US with the hard cold reality of exponentially declining world exports.
US total petroleum imports have been increasing faster than consumption because of the combined effects of declining domestic production and increasing domestic consumption.
At this precise point in time, 12/06, I estimate that Saudi oil exports are declining at about twice the rate that their oil production is declining--13% versus about 7%.
So, the world's largest importer is expecting an exponential increase in imports, while the world's largest exporter is showing an exponential decline--as the HL model predicted--in exports.
Did you mean rising imports?
Should be:
"I think that we are in the very early stages of an epic collision between expectations of exponentially increasing imports into the US with the hard cold reality of exponentially declining world exports."
Weren't you speaking about oil imports? (and not gasoline ones)
I wasn't suggesting they restrain production. I was suggesting that they simply refrain from raising the retail price of gasoline. This would stoke demand, put downward pressure on gasoline inventories, and in the extreme, could result in spot shortages. Then they could say, "look, we are running maxed out and we still can't adequately supply the market, therefore we must be allowed to raise prices to restrain demand and prevent shortages." I'm assuming here that oil companies have a fair amount of control over the price that their gas stations charge their customers.
A few spot shortages here and there would probably go a long way into softening up the public into accepting higher prices.
Another way to look at this is that the oil companies view raising prices (to restrain demand) as a last resort because of public outrage, political scrutiny, charges of gouging, etc. Under that scenario, they're still holding out hope of the supply-demand imbalance correcting itself without the need for higher prices, and they are willing to take the risk that comes with running the gasoline system at lower inventory levels.
The sales of gasoline are divided between too many companies-about 60% is at convenience stores, 40% at the integrated oil gas stations. If they all "conspired" causing shortages it would be illegal as well as illadvised..It would be a violation of the antitrust laws.
So please, lets keep this conspiracy theory quiet. Karl Rove might get a job in the oil patch!
Do you mean that 10% of our 9.x mbd capacity could not cover the draws or that for some reason that 10% is inaccessible presently?
It just seems odd to me that RU is not climbing back to its usual 9x% rate. If refineries are back normal as much as possible as you are suggesting, then there is about a (93 - 90=) 3% reduction (in very simple terms) in what the EIA figures should imply in the next couple of months. From being just able to cover gasoline and distillate supply in the US with ordinary import levels, it looks like the US will have to import more than average or suffer small but persistant stock withdrawals.