182 comments on DrumBeat: December 9, 2006
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
Show without comments | PDF version
182 comments on DrumBeat: December 9, 2006
Comments can no longer be added to this story.
Show without comments | PDF version
Search The Oil Drum with Google
Support The Oil Drum
Recently on TOD:World
TOD:Campfire
TOD:Europe
- Unique Times -- and the Future
- Peak Gold, Easier to Model than Peak Oil? - Part I
- Carbon Capture and Storage
TOD:Canada
- In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
- The Round-Up: October 24, 2008
- Compressed Air Energy Storage - How viable is it?
TOD:Australia/NZ
- The Bullroarer - Friday 27th November 2009
- International Energy Agency calls 'Peak' on OECD Oil Demand
- Australian Senate: Peak Oil motion defeated 31:6
TOD:Net Energy
Blogroll
Energy Sites
- The Coming Global Oil Crisis
- Die Off
- Dry Dipstick
- Energy Bulletin
- From the Wilderness
- Life After the Oil Crash
- Peak Oil Crisis
- Peak Oil News and Message Boards
- Powerswitch
- Rigzone
- Matthew Simmons
- Wolf at the Door
Environment & Sustainability Sites
- The Daily Green
- EcoGeek
- Eco Street
- Green Car Congress
- Green Options
- green.alltop.com
- Gristmill
- RealClimate
- Sustainablog
- Treehugger
- WorldChanging
Blogs
- Casaubon's Book
- Cleantech Blog
- Clusterf
k Nation (Jim Kunstler) - The Cost of Energy
- David Strahan
- Early Warning
- The Energy Blog
- European Tribune
- GraphOilology
- Health After Oil
- jeffvail.net
- Mobjectivist
- Peak Energy (Australia)
- Peak Energy (USA)
- R-Squared
- Resource Insights
Finance & Economics Blogs
- The Big Picture
- Calculated Risk
- The Crash Course
- Ecological Economics
- Econbrowser
- Environmental Economics
- Infectious Greed
- The Mess That Greenspan Made
- Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis
Organizations
Peak Oil Primers
Beware email scams!
Beware email scams claiming to be from this site. We do not have any job openings. If anyone contacts you about a job at The Oil Drum, do not reply to them, and definitely do not give them any personal information or send them money. Read more here.
“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.”
—Gandhi
User login
Contact
- Content: editors at theoildrum dot com
- Tech support: support at theoildrum dot com
Personnel
- Editors: Nate Hagens, Gail the Actuary, Prof. Goose
- DrumBeat Editor: Leanan
- Contributors: ace, Engineer-Poet, Heading Out, jeffvail, JoulesBurn, Sam Foucher, Robert Rapier
- TOD:Campfire: Glenn, Jason Bradford
- TOD:Europe: Chris Vernon, Euan Mearns, Francois Cellier, Jerome a Paris, Luís de Sousa, Rembrandt, Rune Likvern, Ugo Bardi
- TOD:Canada: benk, Libelle
- TOD:ANZ: Big Gav, Phil Hart, aeldric
- Emeritus: Stuart Staniford
- Technician: Super G
License
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 United States License.










GAIA Host Collective
I remember hearing about some people who lived for several months in pre-medieval conditions, (I don't recall the exact historical period). The hardest part of acclimating back to modern life was that they were always too warm when they went into buildings heated to modern temperatures.
In the process of moving to my new place I had to do a lot of heavy work over 3 days, and I could not believe how warm the new place seemed. It's warmer than the old place true, but I find my tolerence to cold goes up a lot if I'm doing a lot of physical activity. I was walking around downtown in a t-shirt while everyone else was bundled up!
The last day or so have been very active for me, and again my cold tolerence spiked again.
If you could get your wife doing exercise, her cold tolerence would probably go up quite a bit - and the prospect of doing some push-ups before going to bed in the Finnish tradition to sleep warm, would not be so frightening.
I see some gals who are just HUGE (what can I say, I live in the US) and they're very cold-sensitive, it's amazing with all that insulation, but it's the result of an extremely sedentary lifestyle.
Have you considered withholding sex as a bargaining tool?
*and it's amazing what you can call "tea" in various cultures so it does not necessarily need to depend on globalism.
or on the low tech side you can get ahold of one of those infared temperature sensors (sold at autoparts stores) go outside and measure the temperature of your walls windows roof and get an idea or where you are loosing the heat (heat flows downhill temperaturewise ) so higher external temps will indicate heat loss good luck
We have areas of the house at 58 and other areas at 68.
The area that is 68 is the TV, dining and kitchen area. You would not believe how it "brings the family together".
By the way, I work in my office at 58. You get used to it.
Disclaimer - 58 is not recommended for the aged or the sick.
Rick
I guess it's a strategy for dealing with Peak NG. Seriously, though I heard many people in my town were setting their thermostats way down last winter.
http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=12251&channel=0
In the 16th C and 17th C windows were few and far between. Glass prices or the imposition Window taxes meant that many existing windows were walled up.
The 1960's building fashions went for large 'picture windows' - At least here in the UK. These were rarely double or triple glazed. Some of these windows were seriously large and occupied a major percentage of a house frontage.
As well as heat loss, owners used to get frantic about kids playing knock about soccer in the street...
I like the thermostat at different temperatures depending on what I a doing. If I am sleeping, 50 is fine. In the morning, 67 is much more comfortable. Whenever I am around the house, a sweater or pullover is standard - so is about 65.
My biggest problem is visiting other buildings. I can dress for the weather outside and to be comfortable around the house, but then when I visit my friends in their apartments, the thermostat is set to ~77 by the management. This is uncomfortably warm and explains why my friends have so many pairs of shorts.
I think a law that mandates a standard temperature for public buildings should be legislated. If evey one of those building went from 77 to 65, think of how much NG would be saved. People would also get used to that temperature so that other buildings would be more likely to select a lower temperature as well.
Alternatively, a powerplant like the one from 'the matrix' to harness all of the hot air coming out of washington might be a good investment.
We have a programmable thermostat, which is essential for us. We live in a dark and very cold climate in a house built in 1946. It is not well insulated, although we are gradually correcting that. We set the thermostat to 55 degrees at night. In the morning the temp. goes up to 65 degrees for one hour then back to 62 degrees (F) for the rest of the day. Suffice it to say that the woodstove is popular and the kids actually like getting long underwear for Christmas/Solstice.
When we kept the house at A-STP (American standard temperature and pressure...68 degrees day/65 degrees night) our fuel oil consumption for the year was averaging 355 to 400 gallons. Now we use between 180 and 220 gallons per year. However, some of the heating load is taken up by our high-efficiency woodstove, so we really have not halved or fuel use; more a case of substitution. On a cash cost basis, the 400 gallons were priced at $2.25/Gal while last winter's heating oil ran about $3.50 delivered. Our strategy is to heat room where people are, not the house.
I don't think we will willingly set the thermostat much lower...the kids and wife are about at their limit. My experience is that, as long as you are busy, temperatures between 55-62 degrees are comfortable. If you sit down to read or play on the computer it becomes uncomfortable unless you add clothes...mostly the family wears hats, berets and beanies inside. Wool throws and blankets become fought over commodities. Long underwear is just what you wear in the winter (the merino wool stuff from smartwool is worth the price).
As to plumbing, when we get those -10 to -40 degree nights, we do increase our heating but rather than heat the unheated spaces through which the plumbing is routed, we open sink cabinets and leave the water running; my more wealthy neighbors us thermostatically controlled heat tape.
Given the complexities of insulation, my choice for determining how well your house is insulated would be exploratory and mathematical. First, determine what you actually have, (I removed the siding and poked around) and then calculate the whole wall insulation. Remember that the insulation between the joists/studs is only part of the picture...the thermal "breaks caused by the studs significantly reduce the whole wall insulative values. Then you need to get a handle on leakage. Leakage will be pretty important especially on older houses like mine...when the wind blows the house loses heat very quickly. After all that math you will be able to calculate how many btu/hour your house loses for a given outside temperature and wind speed. It is a good exercise, but time consuming...I usually do only a wall at a time...windows and wind suck heat bad. I think ASHRAE has some good numbers for this.
Apart from visual inspection of accessible areas and windows, there isn't a simple way to know how well your house is insulated. I've looked into purchasing a camera sensitive enough to IR to show heat loss from walls, but they are quite expensive. An example is the IR 235 DX Robust handheld FLIR Thermal Infrared Imaging Camera which shatters the 8k price barrier!.
You just want to see the heat leaks in your house, not catch a running perp.
But there's a huge difference between near-IR (8000-12000 Å) and thermal IR. Soda-glass lenses are opaque to thermal IR, so you couldn't have used a conventional camera to take a picture of a thermal source even if you could have kept the film's thermal radiation from exposing itself.
I turned off my condo's heater, but in coastal California the lowest temp I've seen so far is 57F in the morning. I seem to recall 54F as the low last February. The real drag is that my condo is down a hill and behind some trees. It might be 11:00 AM before I get any direct sun. That means bundling up, or heading up the hill to the sun.
This all started as an experiment, to see if heat is really needed here, and I'd say it isn't (for a healthy adult). And I think I actually stay healthier ... but that could be my imagination.
My best practical advice? If you feel cold, eat something. That seems to flip a switch, fire up the body's thermostat.
(59F feels warm to me right now)
Secret heat source
To cut firewood for personal use on National Forest lands you must have a Personal Use Firewood Permit. Permits are available for purchase each year starting in the Spring and are valid for gathering firewood from the date of issue until December 31st of the same year. The minimum volume of wood per permit is four cords, with the cost per cord at $5.00.
Rick
(Currently suffering from sinus infection and asthma. Thank god for electric blankets.)
I totally agree that you have to be healthy to endure cooler temperatures.
Being cold when you're sick SUCKS.
Look into goose down though, I swear when TSHTF I'll collect pigeon down and cat hair etc if that's what it takes, down is Nature's electric blanket.
Let me second what Joseph referred to - I get so acclimated that I have to change my clothes if I'm going to a more "conventionally" heated place in the winter, or I'll just roast. It's amazing what you can get used to, with the proper clothing. If you feel chilled, just sit by the fire for a minute.
Back in the days of the first oil embargo, my mother turned the thermostat waaay down, and whenever we kids complained, she would simply say "put on another sweater". To this day, if anyone in my family mentions that they're feeling cold, we all recite "put on another sweater", and it provokes gales of laughter.
- sgage
Not diagnosing anyone. My thyroid tests normal and I can remember when younger and spending much time out of doors I could acclimatize to 50's indoors.
Don't bust up a family over this ooe. Insulate. If family members aren't adjusting it may be because they just physically can't. That you are able to do something is not an indication someone else could if they were willing.
We heat with a wood stove and a high efficiency gas furnace, gas stove, and gas dryer. We keep a kerosene heater around for backup and use it sometimes. We go through about 350 total CCF of gas, one cord of wood, and five gallons of kerosene in winter in Michigan. We drop the temperature to 55F at night, use the furnace to raise it to 60F in the morning, and keep it between 65 and 68F during the day using the woodstove. We direct the gas clothes dryer exhaust into the room during the winter and bake a lot. We've also doubled our attic insulation and plastic sealed many of the windows in the winter. Finally, though they probably didn't realize it when they built the place, our 1k sq.ft. house has many passive solar features that help heat the place when the sun's out.
This year the wood's been pretty much free, since we got a bunch of ash wood that the city was removing. The emerald ash borer is probably going to eliminate ash trees in eastern forests. Too bad, it makes great firewood.
Pollen samples show that Eastern Hemlock was almost a monoculture about 10-12,000 years ago in parts of the Eastern US. And then it almost disappeared. What wiped it out does not appear to be affecting the remnant population.
Forests do not appear to have stable species mixes, although human influence seems to speed that dynamic up dramatically.
Alan
I guess I will know in 2 months or so. going to miss hand picking pecans in the fall though. my dad will send up about 5 pounds shelled as a nice gift box every month,,, I have his secrets,, he owes me ... LOL.
Charles.
The next year, we switched to the third floor, because heat rises. I'm sure we did evil things to the power bill of the guys on the 2nd floor, but they never knew it. :)
And it did make a huge difference to our power bill. With the heat on, the power bill was almost four times higher. We went the whole winter without turning on the heat. We had to study wearing gloves and hats, but after awhile, it became a kind of challenge. No one wanted to be the first to give in and ask to turn the heat on.