How are you doing? Are you, like me, dealing with a professional career on the one hand, and reading this site at night, thinking through the implications, and then waking up the next day again to plan a 5 year engineering project with ROI and thinking - "This is unreal"????

Successful engineering projects are characterized by a lot of passion in one or more key project leaders. When that passion is missing, it becomes a mechanical exercise in number crunching or software coding and a morass of mutual "I am waiting for this" excuses. Nothing gets done. The knowledge of peak oil is sapping the passion out of my projects. How are you guys coping with this? How do you deal with your vice presidents and marketing directors and others that can not afford to professionally acknowledge expensive energy?

 

Yes. I find in my law practice, although specific resource related issues are far from the matters I handle, that I am distracted by a lack of future.  For example, I need to move my office at least twenty miles into the nearest shire town.  Commuting costs will raise substantially in either case, but the real opportunities are a further thirty mile up the road.  Having done the fifty mile commute before, I resist.  The knowledge that oil prices may rise exponentially in the next two years changes the equation substantially.
I must confess that my main driver is presently the desire to continue sucking out a salary until TSHTF.  I don't think it will last very long, and I'm not motivated to move to another job where I'll be low man on the pole - especially with a commute.  But this also due to a large number of other issues relating to a poorly managed organization, and with being bored to tears after moving into a management position.  I've posted before on the un-reality of the plans and projections I hear in planning meetings.  But that's the case with most people - no one is preparing, and it will hit us head on.  If I could manage to find something closer to home and/or related to energy conservation or alternative sources, I would be very motivated.  I'm part of the pool of engineering resources that could be tapped if there were any leadership or will in this country.
I have similar frustrations. On one hand I would like to leave the corporate world and go to paramedic school. But that means a year of working as an EMT and taking a couple of classes I need. Then a year of school. I am on at least a two year time line without much income. But then I think about peak oil. Am I better off staying in the corporate world trying to save as much as I can and trying to prepare? It's a toss up. I go through the same with my rental property. I always wanted to build a real estate portfolio. But I am convinced we are getting ready to move into an oil price induced recession that we won't recover from. So I am selling the property. The things I would do/plan to do are not the same as those when viewed through peak oil. Not exactly a project planning issue like you asked, but similar.  
You raise some very good points. Don't discount the fact that the knowledge you would get from paramedic school would come in very handy if/when TSHTF. As I make plans and decide what course to take there is the aspect of weighing how valuable the result of those choices will be if things were to go downhill fast.
It's this psychological effect of "going backwards" that I have been thinking about a lot lately...been trying to pull together some mass psychology literature on it.  I cannot imagine that anyone, once they actually see that peak oil might not go all that well, does not start really "going through the motions," if not hoarding and planning for a different future.  Though, I must admit, I haven't started thinking about the Unabomber shack quite yet.

Societies do not go backwards well.  Progress, both for the many economic chairlegs we are already missing that requires it, and for the psychological effects a lack of it would have on humanity (you think psychotropics are overprescribed NOW?!?!?!?!), well, it's kind of important...

I have also been trying to think of an analogue of other past societies (going back to the black death post) that actually saw the precipice coming.  Is it the case that they just ran faster toward it, or can we come up with any that actually put on the brakes in time before going to their own destruction, even if it was a slow jaunt down a hill?

Easter Island might be an example.  A paper called
An Anatomy of the Prehistoric Rapa Nui Cultural Collapse
describes a two-phase collapse:

Several lines of evidence now support a two stage prehistoric cultural collapse. The evidence comes from the statue quarry at Rano Raraku, the roadways leading from it, and two types or patterns of ahu recycling and construction.

The first stage seems to have lasted no longer than a generation or two, perhaps 50 years, during which the Islanders themselves knew they were in short supply of resources, in particular, trees. The traditional culture tenuously held on to the previous habits but knew they were going to have to prepare for a new order. Culturally unable to reforest, priorities redefined statue form, statue moving, ahu construction, and disposal of the dead. At least two major ahu illustrate large scale cooperation in their new constructions though the workmanship is very poor and incomplete. Several others show a similar reduction in workmanship but maintain large scale cooperation.

The second stage seems characterized by a free-fall collapse in cultural organization, dominated by conflict, the formation of discrete districts, territorial to the family level, warfare, and ultimately cannibalism. It is proposed that this change reduced population to a level commensurate with the carrying capacity of the defoliated island, slowly leaching and eroding soils. Small family-built semipyramidal ahu became the norm and multiple whole body burials were inserted. The Tangatamanu cult resulted from the cultural need for a time of truce, an annual temporary escape from what may have been the constant threat of revenge warfare.

Interesting that the first phase of collapse was marked by greater social organization - larger groups working together - but poorer results (due to the lack of resources).  It ties in nicely with Tainter's findings of more centralized control as collapse approaches.

The masses are never going to "get it" the media will continue to push that "Technology will find the answer we just have to get through this winter". I think we are going to simply slide backwards with Utopia just around the corner.

One things for sure its an exciting time to be alive:)

 

"May we live in exciting times!"

Indeed.  I have personally lost all interest in work, except as as a place to collect a paycheck. I do just enough to not get by, nothing more. Instead, I spend a good deal of my time reading TOD and similar sites (Energy Bulletin, Kunstler, etc), doing research, pricing PV arrays, and occasionally ordering survival gear (like a PV/crank powered radio) online, and trying not to get overly pessimistic.
I've about given up on trying to wake the sleepers from their self-induced trance. Some get it. Most are clueless. Others become antagonistic when presented with facts.  My wife, god bless her soul, is actually excited about the prospects of a different society, a different way of living, and helps me plan for the days ahead by reading up on canning, planting fruit trees, and buying books.

Sometimes I think people will eventually wake up.  Today, I doubt it.  Among the stories in the news: National Review calling Bush the "James Frey of energy policy," and complaining that Big Oil is being demonized like the tobacco industry was.  And NIMBY-ism run amok: people are sabotaging a farm that's supposed to produce ethanol.  They're afraid it will create traffic and odors, and attract pests that will "ruin their quality of life and decrease the value of their homes."
Actually I've found only an increase in the number of alcoholic tourists visiting the area.
Prof. Goose,

My father-in-law who is a retired (and enlightened) minister says we are headed for another Dark Ages.  It not just what we belive that is the problem.  It is how those belief's are being used by powerful people for gain.  Maybe weave that concept into your future post.

My father-in-law and I have amazing discussions with great consensus, even though he comes from a very spritual viewpoint and I from a logical scientific one.  They are not mutually exclusive but are made to seem that way by many Conservative Christians today.

Excellent point. As people say, PO is a social problem as much as anything...And I think a "spiritual problem". Rampant materialism is fueled, I think, by people desperately trying to "fill that inner void" with stuff. Bigger better faster more stuff. Lots of people don't identify with who they are or what they do, but with their own posessions. Should be obvious that this never has, and never will make one happy. It will be a grim day for these folks when the spigot of endless new shiny stuff is turned off, or even turned down.

I have found a lot more freedom and happiness the past few years by trying to get rid of "stuff" and make my life simpler. Planting a garden, playing with the cats, riding my bike etc. Can't claim perfection, but it seems like the right path. BTW I am a scientist, not really attached to any particular religous viewpoint.

Simplifying one's life does have profound advantages. OK, I do get a great kick out of just paying lesser taxes after having deliberately toned down my lifestyle to spend more time painting the sunrises and having scaled back my expenses in the process.  I learned a lot from my cat.  I for one agree totally with you.  
a very interesting point indeed.
Well, Stuart's slow squeeze has made me feel a bit better about the future.

I'm a software engineer for a company that writes software for a primary industry (meat processing). Since our customers are less likely to disappear in a slow squeeze, I'm not too pessimistic about the job. I'm also one of three managers under the two directors out of a company of 20, so I'd like to think that I'll still be here even if half the company disappears.

I have to try hard to keep focussed on doing the job because I'm reliant on the wage (and the 6.5% of the annual profits) to help me carry out some plans to mitigate the Peak Oil effects (solar power, insulate our home more, buy fruit trees for the garden, etc.).  That's what driving me now.  I want to make sure that we cushion any post-peak effects.

In my projects, I keep wanting to stuff in more insulation, make the windows smaller and make room for coal bins.  I see these by now very common windowless offices, with only artificial lighting and mechanical ventilation, and think, "a future storage closet."  And all these buildings with NG heating!

The clients, the end users, generally want more insulation.  They're starting to get that.  But the builders aren't there yet, because the insulation costs more every day.

I do a lot of retrofit, so potentially, I could have a lot of work as people modify their buildings to adapt to the slow squeeze (or whatever).  But I wonder if it will really happen that way, or if people will modify on the cheap.

To some extent, I think that as morose as this line of thinking, it's overly optimistic. All that's being thought about is the effect on our own personal lives, and how we might escape the worst effects. But I believe that the worst effects will be not from the effects of peak oil on our way of life, but rather the political and geopolitical ramifications---war, repression, anarchy. We all want to survive, grow vegetables, not get irradiated, and above all have some hope that our kids will be able to survive.

I don't think there's going to be anyplace to hide. I think that eventually we will all be forced to become political. Otherwise, we'll all just go down killing each other. There's no other way out. I'm not advocating some particular political platform---except for the idea that we don't kill each other for oil or follow those who propose that we do. But those that do rule the roost for now, and I believe have seen but just the beginning. If there weren't such a hostile political climate, adapting to peak oil could even be fun. It's the mutual slaughter stuff  that is hard to get used to.

Davebygolly, I recommend that you read this essay by Alexandr Dugin: http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng-subj.htm

I hope it helps you as much as it helped me.

Afraid not, Sr, but thanks anyway. Way too deep.
Very interesting. I must ask, what side are you on? Do you feel that when society breaks down to the point where it can no longer offer substitutes for the primordial feeling of agression that it will burst forth?
Locally I advocate a particular political platform. But winning every election  is not what is most important for me to live in a healthy society when I grow old. If our group has power for a very long time it will probably become as corrupt as the current group who takes much of its power for granted. There is allways need of an opposition and power have to change hands, democracy needs to be exercised to work.
Well and honestly said, Francois. It's hard to feel there is a point to many jobs and activities that have a long term horizon when you know there is a high probability of massive change within their timescale.

I don't really have an answer for you except to say you are not alone. Probably most people here have struggled with it and found the solution that best fits their perspective, or are still fumbling for it. Struggle with the problem, things will clarify and you will begin to see positive actions to take.

Being self employed I have a lesser problem, but my income has diminished. I'm adapting by growing my own food, saving seeds, learning skills that will be useful like medicinal use of herbs. I've been augmenting money by spread betting on financials, can be up and down but overall positive so far, and it's something I can do from anywhere while the net and financial markets exist ( = as long as money is relevant).

You must find the path that best fits you and your family responsibilities. If you are free of ties you could change everything, even if you have a family you could join a sustainable community (or even start one if you live in or move to a viable location).

First you need to decide how bad and how fast YOU think things might change. If you think slowly and / or softly then you will probably have time to change once things begin. If you think things could be hard and fast then perhaps it is time for a more serious think, for the start could be quite soon.

Here is a different view, which many of you may not like. There is no guarantee that the world as we know it will come to and end  especially not within a five year timeframe. I am an active follower of this site, a believer in peak oil and a Stuart Staniford groupie. But I do not think it is reasonable to think that your current life is doomed or to take radical chances that could affect you and your family based on speculations about possible future doom.

I believe that anyone who is liquidating their current lifestyle to prepare for a future of certain collapse is taking a massive risk. To the degree that their are others, particularly children, involved in these decisions, it could be highly destructive and irresponsible. I am open to the counter argument that doing nothing is equally irresponsible. I don't belong to either camp. My point is that the future is uncertain and there is a chance you find yourself living in a hole with a stack of gold coins and canned food for the next twenty years while the world somehow adapts.

Some commenters seem to say that they are becoming unable to perform in their job because of fears of imminent doom from peak oil or climate change. analyse the situation. One one hand, I think this is like any other distraction that comes from outside; family problems, money, etc. Sometimes, you just have to leave them outside the door. I would suggest, without evidence or reference to any specific case, that the cause could be underlying psychological factors as much as reality.

One the other hand, there are major changes facing us in the future. Based on your perceptions of the probability of various scenarios, it is rational to adjust your lifestyle to be best prepared. There are some steps that are gradual. Moving investments towards alternative energies, taking classes or new job opportunities that you are confident have a future, balancing your debt levels, etc.

I don't think worrying for the sake of it has much benefit. I believe that many of those that run for the hills will crawl back later, may regretting it. No one knows what will happen and making life changing decisons based on a hunch is a big bet. Maybe you will be right, but maybe you will be wrong.

I read this site everyday. I have been moving my career and lifestyle gradually in a direction that can be sustained post peak, but will also keep me happy if we transition to a new fuel system and everything turns out OK. I don't know what will happen and don't write off collapse. But I am doing what I can to adapt and don't spend too much time fretting.

The knowledge of peak oil is sapping the passion out of my projects. How are you guys coping with this?

Francois,

It sounds like you are going through a psychological phase.
Sure, the books tell you about denial, anger, depression and acceptance ... but that's mostly book theory. Everybody goes through their own private hells and coping mechanisms.

OK so you are bummed out today and feel there is no future.
This too will pass.

This world is filled with many parallel universes.
Today, as you moped over Peak Oil,
Somewhere in a hospital, a young mother gave birth to a baby. It was a most joyous moment filled with hope for a bright future and dreams about all sorts of possibilities.
Across the hall, in another ward, an old man took his last draw of air as pneumonia ravaged and drowned his lungs. It was an ugly and horrid day, finally ended in grief and a last gasp realization that this whole life is nothing but a brief joke (on us). Around the corner, a surgeon was stitching up a gang member's knife wound. It was a violent day, full of hate, bitterness and maybe understanding about what it means to have bought in to the herd mentality of the gang.

So what does that have to do with your loss of passion for engineering?

Maybe tomorrow, you will wake up with a new design etched into the back of your head, a way to save the world. Don't give up on us yet. There are many parallel universes and many parallel answers.

Yes, I'm kind of in the same kind of place myself.  Although I do believe that we have some tough financial times ahead. Our government here is NZ is currently talking about the economy having a soft landing, so I'm betting things are probably worse than that.

I do think people need to take stock of where they are at with their careers.  Anyone whose job depends on the discretionary income of others will be most affected, I think.

I also think most people would benefit from reading through Ted Trainer's "The Simpler Way".  While some would find it too radical to implement all of his recommendations, there are always little ideas that you can take away to help simplify your life.  The Rocky Mountain Institute's "Energy" library section, and  especially the "Home Energy Briefs" category, have some great documents about making your home more efficient.  In my opinion energy will be more expensive in the future, so efficiency can be easily justified financially.

I try to think positively about Peak Oil as much as I can. There are some silver linings even on the darkest of Peak Oil 'clouds'.

Finances are the most confounding aspect for me.  I've been saving and investing for retirement since I started working, and thought I was doing pretty well, but now...  I'm still putting money in my Roth IRA, 401(k), etc., but I wonder if I will ever be withdrawing that money...or if it will be worth anything when I do.  

I'm reluctant to buy a house for a variety of reasons.  The housing market is bubbly in my area - I've seen home values crash 50% here in the past.  My employer is considering moving to a lower-cost area.  I'm not sure if, when TSHTF, a farm in the country or an apartment in the city will be better options.  My family lives far away, in an area I suspect will be a terrible place to ride out peak oil, and I'm torn between joining them and hoping I can convince them to join me.  

I need a peak oil-aware financial planner.

Excellent post!

Personally, my way of dealing with uncetainty is to assume that there is a 50% chance of a major dieoff within five years and a 50% chance of business pretty much as normal for the next fifty years. Either outcome is unlikely, but I am prepared for both.

For decades I have worked on the accumulation of useful skills as a way of preparing for the worst. It is easy, for example, to get a fine bow and superb arrows; it takes time and much practice to become an expert bow hunter. Gardening is another example: heirloom seeds are easy to get and amazingly cheap, but what is hard is figuring out how to beat the pests without pesticides and what grows best in my particular soil and climate. My most brilliant move was to get a property with some scores of sugar maple trees on it and learn how to do sugaring; now I have a valuable and renewable good for trade, regardless of what happens in the future.

Good points, Don, and an excellent plan regarding the maple trees.
I think your analysis is good.  There most certainly are risks in reacting poorly in either direction.  If I spent all my money on survivalist gear and canned food and then cannot sent my daughter to college, this would be a bit of a problem.  One could make up scenariios in either direction all day.

Seeing that the people I work with are bissfully unaware of possible major problems does nothing to give me confidence in the decisions they make.  But in my particular case I didn't have much confidence in my company anyway.  The biggest effect for me career wise is that I have re-evaluated my plans.  I'm not really looking to change from my present situation into another that is similar, so I have scaled back my job hunt.  I'm focused instead on how to make a living closer to my home, which may entail a career change.  I'm thinking more seriously about starting something on my own, or with a few others, and I would love for it to be energy related.  It will take some time to accomplish this, but then the job market for engineers stinks anyway.

When I'm at work, my motivation to do a good job comes from my own desire to do what is right, and that I care about the people I have worked with for a very long time.  But I don't get worked up about it anymore, as I fundamentally believe that my present employment situation is temporary regardless of my performance, on a scale of say 5yrs or less, due to factors both internal and external.   So I'm basically one foot out the door, it's just that I have no idea what's on the other side.

You make an important point here Jack. One can choose to abandon modern life completely, but that is a very serious decision to make, especially if there are children involved. Alternatively, one can try to live flexibly with a foot in both worlds, thereby having access to some of the benefits of each at the cost of doing a lot more work. This is the option we have chosen, partly in order to hedge our bets in the face of an uncertain future (and partly because we genuinely love the rural life).

My personal philosophy is to minimize the consequences of being wrong. If we were to chose modernity and peak oil caused cascading system failure, it would be a disaster. If we were to move even further into the country and adopt a neo-Amish lifestyle, then our children would have a sub-standard education in many respects and we would be cut off from the intellectual culture we value. Peak oil (or financial crisis, which is an even bigger concern for me in the short term) might make that a price worth paying in advance, but there is no guarantee. I would hate to have drastically narrowed my children's options prematurely.

Basically, we have been seeking a dynamic balance between two very different lifstyles - a balance which provides quite a reasonable degree of control over the necessities of our own existence, while being sufficiently flexible that it can be shifted in one direction or the other as new information becomes available. My partner and I work as power system consultants and are trying to build a renewable energy business (biogas and microhydro). We offer expertise in energy policy and legislative review (me) and also in simulation and control engineeering as applied to power systems at the transmission level and at the level of individual generators (my partner). One of our children is training to be an artist, and another an opera singer. All of that is very much grounded in modernity.

At the same time, we raise sheep, alpacas, chickens and sled dogs on our small farm. We live in the country, but close enough to major population centres that good schools are accessible and the occasional trip to town for work or for pleasure is not out of the question. We grow our own vegetables and cut our own hay (with a little help from our friends). We have our own water, sewage system and power generation. Our recreation tends to be inexpensive country pursuits all year round, and our children are learning many traditional skills as well as school-based intellectual ones. Our third child wants to be farmer. We carry no debt and can live quite cheaply as we provide for many of our own necessities. We have no financial investments as we are convinced that a deflationary financial crisis will destroy many asset classes.

We feel we have done our personal best to take control of an uncertain situation, and that is psychologically empowering. Life is hard sometimes and we don't always get much sleep, but having a reasonable grasp of what we are facing as a society allows for psychological preparedness, and that - mental acceptance of a higher level of risk - is half the battle.

TOD is great for enhancing psychological preparedness in a logical and dispassionate manner, which is why I spend so much of my precious time here. It's a good antidote to the mass-hysteria I expect to overtake the unprepared masses in the next few years. That form of irrational panic (the polar opposite of and natural follow-on from the irrational exuberance of recent years) is my biggest concern for the next couple of decades, and the one I have the most still to do in order to prepare for.

Well said, Jack.

We all have responsibilies.  I wanted to head for the hills at first, but what's the point of that?  I like society, I like culture, and I like technology!  

On the other hand, I don't like consumerism, and rooting that out of my life is a big part of my preparations.  So this is good.

I know from personal experience that some people are predisposed to obsess over these issues.  On the other hand, depression can have external causes, and Peak Oil is one hell of an external cause. Besides, sometimes the only way out (of obsession) is through.

I second that.
Francois,

Welcome to the club.

I try and use the information I learn here to bring some perspective to long term projects.  A focus on the energy costs really helps other people make decisions.  You don't have to convince them that we will peak, only that energy is going to get a lot more expensive.  Everybody now believes this after the last two years of increasing prices.  Build that into the plan.

As many have stated, don't give up.  Even with a lot of change we need unique ideas to solve problems.  Some wonderful ideas are not being implemented now because it is too early financially.  Just knowing there are options will help in the future.

Thanks for asking, Francois.  Yes, I definitely know what you mean.  I'm fortunate to have a good job that doesn't require uninterrupted attention right now, or I would be in trouble.  As it is, I am spending time monitoring this issue that I should rationally be using in studying to improve my credentials for advancement in my profession (Software).

One thing that makes this more difficult is that there is so much to know.  I have had to seriously study energy production and economics (20 hours a week?) just to understand the arguments on this site well enough to evaluate them.  Yes, I am obsessed.  But, I feel this may be the most important issue of our lifetimes, so how can I say "enough".

A personal difficulty I have is that I have this controlling urge.  Like, if I can learn enough, I can somehow make it all better.  Objectively I know that is false, but I don't want to let go, somehow.  

Two things help me; working on preparing, and most especially time with my family and friends.  Financial preparation and learning self-sufficiency skills give me a sense of control, that I am doing something.  Family reminds me to lighten up and get some perspective, and that I am loved.

I'm looking for new opportunities to use alternative energy sources coupled with high efficiency technologies and closed system reaction processes where possible to offset the expected fossil fuel price increases while simultaneously reducing emmissions and discharges to (hopefully) benefit the environment, improve the projects sustainability and achieve higher ROIs for my investors in shorter payout times, for which the expected increase in fossil fuel prices only makes use of these alternatives that much more attractive (if they ever were in the first place).  
I've lurked at TOD almost every day for awhile, but this is the first time I've felt compelled to post. I feel very much the same, the sense of helplessness in the face of PO and inter-related problems is overwhelming. I recently graduated from College and am living check to check so even if I had all the answers of what preparatory actions to take, would most likely not have the financial wherewithal to carry out the plan. Sometimes I question the wisdom of keeping such close tabs on PO news/facts/speculation as it seems to only be a kind of masochistic onanism but have always believed being well informed can only be a good thing. In any event, I commensurate with your feelings, if that helps any.
Couple of suggestions:
  1. Unplug the TV and limit computer access to current news to, say 30 min. a day. Most "news" is "noise."
  2. Ride your bike to the public library and read up on history, anthropology, how to fix things (e.g., bicycles), how to live a simple life (the books by Helen and Scott Nearing are, in my opinion, the best, with FIVE ACRES AND INDEPENDENCE by Kains a close second). Through interlibrary lending, you can even get very useful books of ethnographies from which you can learn how to make fish traps, for example, something that certain Native American tribes excelled at. Also, I think it helps much to read the best of the considerable "dieoff" fiction genre. Here, EARTH ABIDES, by George R. Stewart is head and shoulders above the rest, and LUCIFER'S HAMMER by Niven and Pournelle probably in second place. THE LONG LOUD SILENCE, by Wilson Tucker is also excellent but is hard to find. After you've done a lot of reading, follow your interests, and who knows where they might lead? Perhaps you will become a leading maker of fine crossbows as a sideline or main profession. Perhaps you will become a builder of wooden boats or a maker of low-tech windmills. Oh, and if you have to bike long distances, so much the better, because biking is good for the body, mind and soul.

Have fun!
I don't have to cope with it. I do feel sorry for you, however. I would try alcohol and valium for starters. A good movie to watch is, "On the Beach," starring Gregory Peck as a US submarine commander who surfaces in Australia after a global-super-power-allout-nuclear-Dr.-Strangelove-type-Armageddon. Dave would love it. It will teach you everything you need to know about how to "cope" in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

No, but seriously. You want to cope? Be glad you are one of those who "knows," brother. You were put here to guide the less fortunate. Get busy.