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I appreciate your time and effort. My remarks below correspond to your number ordering.
- You stated some basic information that we all know, but in my judgment you miss the point on how the planet Earth works. It's a heat pump. There are three principle thermostat locations. Two ice coolers (cold box refrigerators) - northern polar cap and southern polar cap, and an interrupter - the Isthmus of Panama. Those are the critical components that influence the heat pump function of the planet. If those thermostat locations do not perform their current functions, the planet's climate shifts radically. It's not much more complicated than that, other than sun radiation patterns and the heat sink capacity of the oceans and certain land masses. Yes, everything is influencing the heat pump, but its primary components are as stated.
- That's not a bad answer overall. But you glossed over hydrology and pump GPM considerations. That's another factor. Yes, there will be heat exchange at the polar wherever the hydro mechanical is being accomplished. That effort could very well lead to additional snowfalls, so (if true) that needs to be factored in. If the hydro mechanical stimulated more snowfall, that would be a positive benefit. Of course, there are other ways to help induce greater snowfall. You also excluded the consideration of natural flow force potential for moving fluids through a pipeline. There may be a way to tap currents to drive some of the flow. It would help to have a few pipeline specialists address some of the finer points of pipeline operations such as the pumping station at Delta Junction, Alaska. Have you ever watched a snow generation system work? I'm surprised that no one mentioned that technology. Of course, wet bulb is the issue there.
- I disagree with your position on this one. I have followed some of the Russian work on this technology applications since the early 1970s. They were not just wasting their time. Climatic influence is apparently well within reach. I have seen some papers that discuss matters that I will not go into (divulge), but I am not convinced that this approach is a wasted consideration. That's all I will say. There are a few ongoing projects that appear to support the general theory and available technologies in practical applications.
- I agree with many of the basic comments you shared. I do not agree with your notion that we "cannot decrease the temperature of the sky (this is what controls radiative heat loss)". That's not correct technically nor with regard to Earth's recent history to the best of my knowledge. You also didn't mention the heat sink capacity of the oceans and seas, and how events create temperature variations in those pools of water. I suggest that the oceans are of primary consideration, not the atmosphere in the sky. The ability of sea salt water to hold heat is significantly larger than that of the sky. There is no comparison, actually. This all goes back to basic knowledge of heat pumps and heat sinks. There are, moreover, a number of ways to transfer heat back, deep, into the Earth. Of course, we haven't explored that potential.
- Scale is not an obstacle for my strategic thinking. It's a secondary consideration. As to cost, how much are the cities and infrastructure along the East Coast worth? This is a question raised by Stormy that no one to my knowledge bothered to answer.
I do appreciate your fine effort. Thanks, xuewen.--
I have some further responses for you, retaining the numbering sequence we appear have adopted.