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The only aspect of PO theory that I find unconvincing is the doomsday scenarious. The reason I find them unconvincing is that they seem to exclude the impacts of price on demand and supply for crude, substitute energy sources, and human activities. Not that there will not be painful adjustment periods. But the end of civilization is not in the cards in my view.
In fact, when you consider the impacts on different economies, I think there is a good argument that China and India, particularly China, will pay much higher prices for the impact of PO than western economies because the high prices for transport will serve to move manufacturing back toward the source of demand, thus creating many more jobs in the developed economies and fewer in the now cheaper labor markets that are so far away. Plus, the very energy wastefulness of developed economies, particularly the US, will make it far easier for them to cut back on their energy use. This tendency will also mitigate the financial impact.
Net, net, I expect US stocks to tank very big time at some point, probably within the next five years, and for there to be an initial period of substantial unemployment. But I think that will lead to a later stage of growth for our economy accompanied by vast adjustments to high energy costs.
4%, 11%, Who the Hell Cares?
and
Hubbert Theory says Peak is Slow Squeeze
and
Extrapolating World Production
but
you still need to take into account human behavior.
Basically the amount of decline is academic if all that is needed to trigger resource wars and other types of despair is the fact that it is declining no matter what you can do.
Is choice real or illusion, does it matter? Perhaps geopolitical events are the consequence of build up of tensions and imbalances. Maybe we are just looking in the wrong direction?
Are geopolitical events merely the expression of a more underlying reality.
Stuart was talking about the effects of a slow squeeze on oil production, what I am talking about is independent of that.
The crux will be the timing and interaction of recession and PO, and the ways geopolitical events shape these, and these shape geopolitical events.
I am not saying that PO will cause a depression (though it would) I am saying there is going to be a recession regardless of PO. THERE WILL BE A RECESSION VERY SOON, no possible avoidance. Sorry if you don't like that, reality ain't gonna negotiate on it.