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Thank you.
(I have not studied it)
United States Patent 4,300,871
Laithwaite , et al. November 17, 1981
Method of, and apparatus for, extracting energy from waves
Abstract
In a method of, and apparatus for, extracting energy from waves on a liquid, the precession of a gyroscope in response to angular motion of a member in response to waves performs useful work by operating a hydraulic pump. Advantageously, pairs of gyroscopes having their rotors spinning in opposite directions are mounted in the member so as to balance the output torques of the gyroscopes.
Inventors: Laithwaite; Eric R. (c/o United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority, 11 Charles II St., London SW1Y 4QP, GB2); Salter; Stephen H. (c/o United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority, 11 Charles II St., London SW1Y 4QP, GB2)
Appl. No.: 107366
Filed: December 26, 1979
Two things to note about this patent:
- The date - not that it's boxing day (which is odd in itself), but this was right in Oil crisis territory (1979)
- Both the inventors have an addres co the UK Atomic Energy Authority
Now Don, please post a link to the article which details why this is an Urban Myth.Of course the device will work in an indoor tank with carefully controlled wind velocities.
Do you have the faintest idea what waves driven by gale force winds look like?
But the Mech. Eng guys knew exactly what this kind of wave was like and did many experiments (using the wave tank, of course) that proved the survivability and efficiency of the Duck (pdf warning). Now make sure your read it this time.
I did not find "the" patent.
Just did a quicky search for the named inventor.
There were more than one that matched for Stephen S...
go to uspto.gov
pick patent search
pick advanced search
use the "in/" specifier to formulate a boolean search that includes the named inventor
Stepback's link to a patent, in Salter's own name, doesn't provide much evidence either way. The 20+ year history of wave derived energy has not produced any commercially viable products. I don't believe this is because the only viable technology was invented, then misappropriated.
I would like to see Don provide more subsatantive documentation of his claims. However, in my mind, this one still should be filed under urban myth.
You've been very negative in this thread without providing even one link to something that discredits the Duck. So how about it? Can you actually point us to some credible evidence that this is snakeoil?
While you are away looking, here are some other articles to keep the others amused while they wait (and wait, and wait...)
Science News article "Oceans of Electricity"
"Stephen Salter of the University of Edinburgh and other researchers, mainly in the United Kingdom, devoted about a decade to the goal of building large-scale, 2,000-megawatt wave-energy plants. The collapse of that program--whether because of inadequate support or overly ambitious goals--left wave energy with a credibility problem and scared off investors. Now, wave energy is riding a new surge."
a little page at TechnologyStudent.com with cute animated GIFS of the Duck
Australia's Research Institute for Sustainable Power's page on wave power:
"The Salter Duck is able to produce energy extremely efficiently, however its development was stalled during the 1980s due to a miscalculation in the cost of energy production by a factor of 10 and it has only been in recent years when the technology was reassessed and the error identified."
This article from Glasgow's Strathclyde University actually criticises the Duck (i'm trying to help you out here, Don):
"Due to the complicated design it is expected that it will take more years of development and is reckoned to be a `next generation' device." (Next generation, eh? Obviously years ahead of it's time!)
[The US DoE's "Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy"s web page on wave power] says:
"Sophisticated mechanisms--like the Salter Duck--use the bobbing motion of the waves to power a pump that creates electricity." (hmmmm. Sophisticated snakeoil!)
Now, American institutions are much more capable of passing snakeoil, so this October 2005 White Paper from MIT is probably less believable :) (pdf warning). Here's a more complex quote:
"One of the earliest innovations is the design by Professor Stephen Salter of the U. of Edinburgh. It consists of a long line of two-dimensional cams hinged on a horizontal axis near the sea surface and parallel to the shore. The cross-section resembles a tear-drop with a pointed beak facing the sea and a circular rear facing the shore. The diameter is large enough so that little energy is transmitted past the cams. Energy is extracted from the rolling motion of the cam. By adjusting the energy absorption rate optimally, the cam radiates waves that are equal in ampliutde but opposite in phase with the waves reflected by the mere presence of the cam. Hence all the incident wave energy can in principle be removed. There are two criteria for complete (ideal) absorption: (i) the cam motion must be resonated by the incident waves, and (ii) the power extraction rate must be equal to the rate of radiation damping carried by the radiated waves due to the cam motion. Because of its geometry, the device is widely known as Salter's Duck."
Oh, and here's the Wave Power Group's official homepage at Edinburgh University (one of the UK's oldest Universities with a great tradition in snakeoil!)
It's 3am here now, so I better get to bed. I'll check back in the morning to see what you have come up with.
Since you are too lazy to do it yourself, here is a paragraph from the Fujita Research Corporation Report that I posted a link to above:
"The 'Salter Duck' was developed in the 1970s by Professor Stephen Salter at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland (email Shs@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk) and generates electricity by bobbing up and down with the waves. Although it can produce energy extremely efficiently it was effectively killed off in the mid 1980s when a European Union report miscalculated the cost of the electricity it produced by a factor of 10. In the last few years, the error has been realised, and interest in the Duck is becoming intense."
Would you like to tell the Fujita Corporation that they are blowing smoke out their asses?
For god's sake look at the patent! Why would the address of two Edinburgh University researchers be filed as the "UK Atomic Energy Agency". Do you not think that the UKAEA might have wanted to 'field calls' from prospective clients? Maybe you guys think they just wanted to offer Stephen Salter a free forwarding service!
Now whether the miscalculation was deliberate or just an act of stupidity, the reality is that the European Union report 'stuck' enough to kill the project at the time.
As I said above, I just hope Stephen gets the recognition he deserves.
Don made claims against the aforementioned invention. It has been proven to exist, and DuncanK backed up his claims adequately.
http://www.loc.gov/index.html