I'm not sure if my question relates exactly to your topic, but it's this: is there a way to synthesize a liquid (crude or gasoline or something that can be made into gasoline that's not crude) from COAL?   I believe there's technology (and maybe it's been discussed here) that makes NG or LNG from coal.   But is there a way to get crude from coal?   I feel very ignorant asking, but appreciate your help.  Thanks.
yes the germans used it in ww2.
the problem was they could not make it fast enough, it's been theorized that if they were able to produce enough if it they would of lasted long enough to bring jets and the other weapons they had in the wings online.
Which reminds me of the Haber-Bosch process developed just prior to WW1 that freed the Germans from dependance on imported rock nitrates for explosives.

"The Haber process now produces 500 million tons of artificial fertilizer per year, mostly in the form of anhydrous ammonia, ammonium nitrate, and urea. 1% of the world's energy supply is consumed in the manufacturing of that fertilizer (Science 297(1654), Sep 2002). That fertilizer is responsible for sustaining 40% of the Earth's population."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

Uses natural gas.
Estimated to have roughly doubled the amount of biologically available nitrogen on the planet.

Though it is true that Germans had shortages of fuel near the end due to the success of British and U.S. bombing campaigns, the binding constraint (i.e. most severe bottleneck) on the Luftwaffe at the end was pilots. Almost all their good pilots had been captured or killed, and at the end the Generals were flying along with seventeen-year-old kids with a hardly any skills compared to the expert pilots the Germans had in the early 1940s. The Luftwaffe had more Me262s than pilots skilled enough to fly them, and because they could stay airborne for only about forty-five minutes they did not guzzle much kerosene. The jets were shot down in large numbers by slower propeller aircraft, because the experienced British and U.S. pilots (who scornfully called the planes "blowjobs") were much better than all but a very few German pilots at the end.

Interestingly, the Germans had plenty of ethanol and liquid oxygen to fuel the V-2s until very close to the end of the war.

Which reminds me of an old Steve Allen joke:

The answer is: he shot down 23 Messerschmidts.

What was the question? Why was Hans Schmidt kicked out of the Luftwaffe?

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I get blank stares when I tell it to young people.

Oh my god, I thought you were a young person. davebygolly, I always knew you were mature from your posts, but I never figured above 40. Holy Christ was I not paying attention. I still don't get the joke. Who the fuck is Hans Schmidt? I thought I knew something about WWII. Oh wait, half those Krauts were named Hans Schmdt? Is this like Dick Hurtz? Seriously, could you explain the joke so I don't have to google-detect it. I feel like such a jackass.
I guess this guy shot down 23 friendly planes and that's why was kicked out of Luftwaffe :)
Took me some time to understand the humor though.
I can't believe where you led me. This is something else.
You don't want to make real crude from coal. HO's paper above shows how complex the composition of crude oil is. As oilaholic told you, the germans achieved synthesis of oil from coal, a process still used in some plants in the world. Two main processes as known : direct synthesis of heavy/medium oil from brown coal which is the bergius process, and the fischer-tropsch process which is synthesis of light/medium/heavy oil from syngas. Syngas is made from coal and the process is very much discussed on TOD and HO in particular. Bergius and Fischer Tropsch protocols are very inefficient and costly.
The F-T Process reached a maximum at 16000 barrels per day
in 1944.  The German armed forces were still chronically short of all liquid fuels. Most evident in the battle of the Ardennes when even the crack units involved in the  attack were not equipped with enough fuel to reach the Meuse River. They were supposed to capture it along the way. Most German tanks just ran out of fuel and were abandoned rather than lost to US action.
F-T is very inefficient. But when desperate and have access to slave labour then you will try anything.
German tanks were always running out of fuel. One big reason that the defeated Brits got away at Dunkirk was that the panzers were immobilized from both lack of fuel and also the fact that the tankers had been going on benzedrine for about a week with no sleep at all.

My recollection from Speer's memoirs is that oil production from coal peaked higher and later than you state, but Speer could have been wrong, or (Yes, it has happened a couple of times.) my memory could be in error.

Agreed.
The Germans were always chronically short of gas, made much worse after the loss of the Rumanian Oil fields.
In fact , perhaps The Second World War should really be  called 'The First Oil War'. Japan and Germany both
had the same problems. Anyway, thats history. I believe that South Africa has made the best shot at the
F-T Process during the years when they were under economic sanctions. But again, more I think from desperation than economics.
It HAS been called the first oil war, but I forget by whom.
MUDLOGGER -

I suspect you might have slipped a decimal place there, and that it should really be 160,000 barrels per day instead of 16,000.

While I don't have the German synthetic fuel production for 1944, one of my military books cites a 1940 production of 4.25 million metric tons. That would translate into an equivalent average daily production rate of roughly 78,000 barrels per day. So, if the Germans ramped up production to reach a maximum in 1944, that would constitute about a doubling over the 1940 production level, and therefore indicating that 160,000 barrels per day is very likely the correct number.

While it took a tremendous effort on the part of the Germans to attain this level of synthetic fuel production, by modern standards it's pretty tiny, about the output of a medium-size oil refinery.

I bring this up not to nit pick about German production numbers but to perhaps add some perspective on what a major undertaking it will be to get even several million barrels per day of additional coal-to-liquid production.  

Yikes!
pay attention Mudlogger.
Goralski's "Oil And War" will tell you more than you really want to know about this. Basically, the Germans didn't have enough oil to train their pilots. They were so short of oil they had to use lower octane blends and their engines didn't get as good a performance.
I do recall that Hermann Goering was pissed off to the max about this problem of low-quality gas. He truly loved his pilots like a father and did all he could (which was nowhere near enough) to protect them. However, there is an interesting post-script here: Post World War II for at least twenty-five years the de-Nazified and loyal NATO new German Luftwaffe still had a horrendous accident rate among jet pilots due to inadequate training. By this time RAF fliers were big buddies with the sons of their father's enemies and felt so sorry for them, because one thing the RAF has understood from about late 1917 is that the key to an effective air force is good pilot training--something the Brits maybe are still the best in the world at, though U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force and Israeli pilots vehemently disagree with this conjecture of mine. Oddly, everybody agrees the Israeli mechanics are the best and Russians the worst, or to be more precise, the least reliable. The best Russian pilots are as good as any in the world, but in a collapsing society they cannot do much. British mechanics are also excellent and have a pride and expertise that is remarkable; they have trained many of the best grease monkeys around the world.

What I am getting at here is that in regard to Peak Oil, you are only as good as your engineers, your geologists, and your managers. The focus on equipment limitations, etc. is valid, but I think in the real world often the most serious bottleneck is the shortage of highest quality well-trained talent.

The U.S. impending shortage of steel is scary. To me ten times scarier is our shortage of engineers.

Thanks Don, speaking for all us engineers out here.
Who needs engineers when we have law givers?
Right now on CPSAN, Arlen Specter is running a Senate Panel investigating the rising prices of Natural Gas (NG).
Their solution?
Pass laws.

The law shalt provide.
That is even more profound than the "free markets" providing.

http://www.c-span.org/

As usual, looking for somebody to blame for the problems rather than looking for somebody with the foresight to avoid getting into the predicaments to begin with.  

Will they arrest and bring to trial Mother Nature when she refuses to comply?

That would be a great skit.  I've been wondering if any of my recent castmates, almost all teachers, would let me talk to their classes about energy depletion.
Hey right.  That would be a good one!  I wasn't envisioning it in my head before.
So Donal,
Are you writing the script and getting ready to videotape it?

Title: "Munity of the Oil Bounty"
Mother Nature is put on trial for refusing to put out anymore.

Casting:
Role of Mother Nature: Sharon Stone (Whata ya going to do, arrest me for running out of lube?)

Captain Blight: Jack Nicholson (We don't want to hear the TRUTH. We can't handle the TRUTH!)

Young Ensign Christensen: Russel Crowe (We are masters and commanders of our own destiny. We got to turn the ship of state around! Call it mutiny if you must.)

I remember reading somewhere that a US state legisilated that Pi had to equal 4 by law in the 19th century. It was passed and stayed legal for a few years (don't know how many though.
I am sure that the UK have passed just as stupid laws in fairness.
That was the first attempt at digital math.

The best one is still the "monkey trial" of Creationism vs. Evolution.

Next one will be stem cells.

Just because the US is lagging in graduating engineers doesn't automatically mean there's a shortage.  Wouldn't this supposed shortage be reflected in steeply escalating salaries for engineers in general (you know - suppy & demand)?

 With so much of our manufacturing being outsourced, maybe we really don't need as many engineers as we used to (('m talking here in the aggregate, shortages or gluts in certain highly specialized areas notwithstanding).

Even if there really IS a shortage, no problemo - we just import more engineers from India, Pakistan, China, or wherever. Engineering has become fungible, like almost everything else.

Regarding steel, I was not aware that there is an actual steel shortage in the US, though heavy manufacturing is not something I follow anymore. We actually use far less steel than we used to. If I recall correctly, the peak year for US steel production was 1957 (big cars and a construction boom). One must also keep in mind that a large fraction of steel is recycled. I don't recall the actual figures, but a surprisingly high percentage of the steel in a junked car becomes new steel. I would think we're going to run out of energy to smelt, shape and manufacture steel goods long before we run out of iron ore + recyclable scrap.

We have lots of iron ore in Canada, and potential ore in Alaska. We run out of scrap every few years because scrap is from manufacturing plants, and as you may have noticed, we don't have many of those any more.
We could get iron by using our baseload power plants to electrolyse sulfide ores for metal, yielding electrolytic iron for feed for electric heated minimills, and also produce plenty of byproduct metals like copper, nickel, PGMs, zinc, lead, silver, gold, etc. This would not be economic at present prices. But if the dollar dropped 90%...