I'm 42 y old. My son, 12 y old, has been briefed on PO since 2 years. Last month he has asked his professor if his class could visit an organic farm. As I heared it, they discussed direct and indirect oil usage in farming. He really tries to understand how to organize a different future, less reliant on oil. For the present he begins to see all the contradictions of a growth oriented society. I have far less discussions with my wife, she thinks all this is too depressing. However we consider solar energy and I refuse travelling for holidays more than 100km and she accepts. As for yeast and humans, I tend to think that humans (in your question you refer to humans in plurial) are dumber than yeast, because yeast, while depleting their ressources, don't go on to exterminate 75% of all other species and to destroy their ecosystem.
Hello Neuroil,

Good for you for cluing your son into his future. I am really curious:  what happens when he talks Peakoil to his friends and cousins?  Is he considered a nutcase, or taken seriously?  Has his friends' parents told you to stop your child from scaring their kids, or do they ask you for more info, books, and websites?  I am starving for info on how many kids are Peakoil informed.  Thxs for any reply.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast? [my signoff tagline]

Hello totoneila, Thank you for this nice thread and your interest. First of all, I must say that we live in France. I discuss the matter of Peak Oil with a lot of people and I discovered that a majority is already concerned. That explains why my son isn't considered a crackpot, and even can set a few things in motion. What is different from other people however is that he really tries to get the problem, not only to understand the situation as plunfo describes below. This contrasts sharply whith my daughters. I have two daughters, one 9 year old (and still too young to be active), one 15 year old. My eldest knows that there is a problem but she won't do anything actively to research a better life for herself in the future. I can't blame her, since I continue to drive my car. As for people asking more information, some ask for websites (which I always provide to them, there are now some excellent sites in french), others don't want to search too much, a minority believes that there is no problem. I am very pessimistic for the youth in France in the short term, violence becomes widespread, most youngsters are completely despaired with worklessness, the perspective of shortages and blind politicians. Most believe that they will live with less than their parents and won't be able to to have a grip on the future.
Hi Neuroil;
  I'm wondering if you and your son have been thinking about France's dependency on Nuclear, as well.  I have read that we face a similar crisis in the availablity of high-grade Uranium ores, though I suppose America's warheads could power the world for a little while, if they can get down-converted instead of getting launched.

  I'm in Maine, and we just finished dismantling our only Nuclear plant, 'Maine Yankee'.. and I'm not sad to see it go.  I don't see nuclear as much of a 'Transition' fuel, since the energy we use to mine/refine and build reactors could as easily be applied to building Wind/Tide/Solar manufacturing, and implementing much more efficient uses of lighting, transp, heating, etc.

Bob

bob shaw...hi!...i've been involved in peak oil since march 2003 and started talking with family and friends immediately...so my son ,who is 21 now, was well initiated and took the message to heart. he is starting a web community site on self-sustained living and backpacking here

I don't have kids of my own, but I'm quite close to my 14,16, & 18 y.o. niece and nephews.  On a recent visit, I made a point of spending an evening discussing peak oil with them.  I'd talked briefly with the oldest on an earlier visit.  I was suprised at how receptive they were.  I think youngsters' receptivity, & response can't be stereotyped.  These kids all have cell phones & TV's in their rooms, but don't have internet at home.  (Can you believe that!?)  My brother is an odd sort of Luddite.  His acceptance of technology stops before you get to computers.  Anyway, they've grown up being required to do dishes, stack firewood, help with laundry, etc...  They also went through divorce and bankruptcy, so know a little bit about loss.  I think all that contributed to their receptivity.  I think it's a fine line between living in this world of constant consumption and our innate human connection to the land.  My theory is that if you grow up with at least a modicum of that connection nourished, and aren't completely isolated by techno-consumer society, then peak oil and other limiting factors make intuitive sense and can be embraced rather than ignored as some whacko attempt to keep me from getting mine.  Contrasted to my niece & nephews is my 13 y.o. step-daughter, who has also obviously been through divorce, and while not bankruptcy, both her parents live pretty simply, both before and after they split.  In our household, we burn wood, have partial passive solar, grow a garden, etc...  But she thinks we're nuts.  I think our mistake has been in allowing her to not participate in these activities, other than raising/lowering the shade on her window appropriately.  Our solar DHW unit arrived this week.  Her reaction was, "People won't be able to see it, will they!?"  We're hoping that eventually our example will rub off on her.  But, again, I don't think we can paint all youth with a single brush stroke.  My only advice is to talk to the young people in your life about what's coming, and set the best example you possibly can.
My 12 year old son did his school speech on peak oil this year, to a reception of polite disbelief. He was slightly disappointed, but not surprised.

All my children have known about peak oil and its implications, as well as deflation and economic depression, for a long time. All of them have real skills in addition to what they learn in school and know that those skills are likely to be extremely important. They have farm chores to do and see the value in helping to provide for the necessities of their own existence. No time is wasted watching TV or playing computer games as these options are not available (and not missed). The link with the consumer society, and the path of least resistance, has been broken for them.

One might think that making young children aware of a difficult future would amount to wallowing in doom and gloom, but in fact the opposite is true. Teaching children real skills and imparting to them how important these are likely to be is very empowering. Children who are aware and prepared now can become the leaders of the future when leadership will be crucial.

Hello Stoneleigh,

Well said: "Teaching children real skills and imparting to them how important these are likely to be is very empowering. Children who are aware and prepared now can become the leaders of the future when leadership will be crucial".

Schools should be ripping out ballfields and teaching kids permiculture and animal husbandry skills.  This is not only very instructive, but is a very calming and rewarding experience-- helps promote the cultural mindset of ERoEI > ERoVI. The big sports should become bicycle racing or distance racing to promote cardiovascular fitness and endurance.  Shop classes in bicycle repairs, animal butchering and cooking, sewing & knitting, etc.

Each drainage basin or habitat should be assessing the best methods to Powerdown and achieve sustainability now to preclude later violence.  For example: AZ's Maricopa County has increased by 536,000 in just the past five years [fastest growing in the Nation].  If the area leaders are proactive: they should institute massive Humanure requirements, very high water pricing levels, elimination of night-time external lighting, abolish car-washing, impose high energy taxes to promote Powerdown and fund Kunstler's goal of human-scale cities, and so on.  These proposals would make many local residents migrate to other cities/habitats, reducing the chance of future AZ violence as most of the Phx area would gradually transmute into a sustainable ghosttown.

Otherwise, at crunch time, the sudden cutoff of imports of pipelined energy from Texas & CA will cause all hell to break loose; ERoVI > ERoEI.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?