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SRSrocco on March 7, 2006 - 2:18pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
HEADING OUT...excellent job.  You took Duncan's theory a step further.  Expanded..if you will.  It doesn't matter if one moves the graph here or there.  Exponential equations all end up the same way they started.  That is, there is always in inverse to any equation to make it fit to that = sign.  You can't fool mother nature or physics. But, jeeesh, you give some typical Joe-Bag-of-Donuts a chance to comment about his two cents...and ya think ya got another Einstein.  Not.

It is very interesting how individuals cling to algae,  wind energy, sea wave motion, cow dung, aboitic methane or whatever fad is popular to help keep their delusional idea that this lifestyle can and will continue.  Well, it all ends when the phat oil lady sinks.

I wonder do these folks ever think about the infrastructure and resources all these wonderful technologies will devour?  Just look at the interstate-highway system.  Maybe if we had one tenth of the roads....maybe...and I mean maybe...could we keep them functioning for 50 years.  Does anyone realize the resources used up just for that purpose...of course not.  We sit on our computers punching neat logarithms on the screen (saying from Kunstler), having no clue of the real world.

It might be more advantageous to get a few books on gardening, orcharding, or one on Living on less, than wind energy or algae for dummys.

Heading out...I just wanted to say....great job.  

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Leanan on March 7, 2006 - 3:43pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Exactly.  I suspect most people have no clue how much energy goes into building and maintaining our infrastructure.  Even if a handful of wealthy people can afford electric cars, what are they going to drive them on?  Will people who can't afford cars be willing to pay taxes for highways so Bill Gates can keep driving his hydrogen limo?  

We are going to be hard-pressed to maintain our current infrastructure, let alone build all new, as would be required for hydrogen, coal gasification, nuclear, etc.

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mshortridge on March 8, 2006 - 11:21am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Will the highways last longer when noone is driving on them?  Ha-Ha.
As I drive past endless tracts of suburbia all roofed with asphalt shingles, I wonder about that little detail as a weak link among many weak links in our chain of infrastructure.  Once a roof starts leaking, it is a quick trip to decay of the building.  When 100 million roofs made to last 15 years all start to break down and leak just at a time when the building trades have run out of gas and material to repair them, those miles and miles of homes are all going to start to implode in slow-mo.  
-Matt, former residential carpenter turned high school teacher, DC burbs
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Luis de Sousa on March 8, 2006 - 3:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Hi SRSrocco, thanks for your coments.

Comparing highways with renewable energy is not the smartest thing to do. Renewables can and will help just because they are renewable.

As for highways you're prabably right, my post shows how hard the gap will be to fill. Even with a steady increase in production from other energy sources the comsumption rates of today aren't likelly to prevail for long.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, the math is on your side, I just hope for a better future.

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SRSrocco on March 11, 2006 - 4:13pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Lads...let me clear this up...if you will...all these so called renewable technologies will need plenty of R-A-W  M-A-T-E-R-I-A-L.  And of course lots of energy to mine..ship..manufacture and produce.  Of course there will limited and local use of these technologies for sure.  But for wide spread use to PLUG and PLAY our current lifestyle....you got better odds playing the LOTTO.

Renewables and reparing and replacing current infrasture will be in competition for ever depleting resources at ever increasing costs.  I am an optomist...but being pragmatic today might save more skins.

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