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Speaking of agenda setting power: How is it that Lynch & Yergin seem to effortlessly get major MSM airtime, yet Westexas & Khebab cannot get a simple letter published, and no mainstream reporter is knocking at the TOD HQ door asking to interview our vaunted TOD topdog data freaks?
It is pissing me off because the National Agenda is keeping the unwashed masses from knowing the truth, and the MSM is stifling our Peakoil Outreach efforts. Hell, we get some useless talking head on TV acting like an expert for 15 minutes, yet anything Matt Simmons says the MSM cuts down to a five second soundbite!
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
Lynch, Yergin, and the USGS are both the acknowledged "experts" in the real world and those preaching a message that addicts want to hear: "Lots of oil, if those other people were willing to produce it." The addicts hear, "no shortage, other people withholding supply to increase profit." You do see that this is the message people are willing to believe, right?
The PO message will be considered when the "experts" are discredited. They were "proven right" the last time around, when oil prices dropped in the 80s. We know what really happened, but the addicts prefer to believe that Reagan frightened OPEC into giving up.
Is Yergin to modern oil, as Woodward is to modern scandals?
Lynch attacked, saying, "Julian and a lot of the people making these arguments are not that familiar with the technical terms in the oil industry."
Darley was far too polite, saying, "So I'm afraid I disagree with both those statements on factual grounds."
Someone posted that Kerry lost the "meta-debate" because he let Bush's people Swift-boat him without fighting back. I listen to these Peak Oil debates, and the only one willing to mix it up with these guys seems to be Kunstler, who (no offense) seems to have the least scientific background.
This is a good thing. Did you ever consider the ramifications if Canada, Mexico, and other major oil exporters to the US suddenly stopped selling us oil? Becareful for what you wish for.
This will inevitably happen if you give credence to Westexas & Khebab's theory as I do-- it is much better for the US to be proactively prepared for this situation by biosolar Powerup. Detritus entropy dictates that even Canada, Mexico, etc will eventually run out too, but remember the Sun will keep shining for the next few billion years. Declaring war on Mexico or Canada will be entirely counter-productive because that will set off a massive internal civil war.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
>This will inevitably happen if you give credence to Westexas & Khebab's theory as I do-- it is much better for the US to be proactively prepared for this situation by biosolar Powerup
Sorry, I have to disagree. As soon as the US gov't publically acknowledges Peak Oil virtually all exporting nations will nationalize energy access and virtually stop exporting in order to make their own preparations. Since US domestic production in nearing heavy depletion there would be insufficient resources to make that transistion. Much of the industrialized world would also endure the same suffering. Undoubtedly chaos and perhaps even a collapse of the United states is likely.
The US faced a near crisis during the Oil Embargo when the US only needed to import about 7% of its oil. Today, the US imports about 60% of its oil. We also need to consider Natural Gas imports from Canada, which was not a factor in the 1970's.
The best policy the US can proceed which is to begin a large scale domestic energy development program under the umbrella of "National Security" and "Geopolitical Instablity" as a reason to motivate the US public to ween its self off foriegn oil imports. The rest of the industrialized world could also make prepations without fear of being suddenly cutoff. Unfortunately it may be too late.
Recently, I been concerned that we are already past peak energy production. Increasing we can see that the oil production is increasing only from non-conventional sources of oil (Tar Sands & GTL) and Heavy Crude, which has a lower EROI. If we consider the amount of energy extracted per investment in infrastructure and processing, I believe we might see a decline in over all energy production.
A barrel of Light sweet crude delivers more useable energy to the consumer than a barrel of heavy crude. Even if global production continues to rise, if we include the refining and extraction losses, its quite possible global energy production is already in decline.
> the Sun will keep shining for the next few billion years.
The problem is that the industrial world consumes approximately 400 years of stored sunshine every day (from fossil fuels). In order to reach a sustainable energy consumption the entire globe would need to reduce its energy use by a factor of over a thousand.
In my humble opinion the best course of action is for people to assume responsiblity for their own welfare instead of waiting for gov't to take action. Peak Oil isn't just a gov't problem, it is your problem too. I believe it would be easier to convince the entire world abandon all monotheistic religions and begin worshiping pagan gods again, than it would to convince the population to abandon their energy consumption and lifestyles forever.