Dont know if this was posted here before, but really frames Chavez in a light that makes me feel less happy to be an American:

link to Chavez story

Hello theLastSasquatch,

If Chavez started a Powerdown program combined with a voluntary cultural shift to one child families, he could dribble out the detritus for highly profitable export for decades.  Otherwise, this country will eventually be caught in the 'Detritus Dependency Trap' like the US and other countries.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

When we've finished with Iraq and Iran, Venezuila with probably be the next country on the list to receive the benefits of 'regime change.' Chavez is already getting the 'Hitler treatment' and finding an excuse for intervening in Venzuela won't be particularly difficult.
Hello Writerman,

You may be sadly correct, check out this Yahoo news link:

http://tinyurl.com/jk5xx

Is this the truth or milgov propaganda--How can we know the real facts?  IMHO, makes no sense for Venezuela to tease or anger the US elites.

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

A few hours ago I saw Chavez on the BBC. He wanted OPEC to recognize Venezuela as the world's lagest source of oil. According to him Venezuela has enough oil for a hundred years supply, which sounds great, if one can figure out exactly what he really means! It would appear he's including the tarsand into this figure. He also said the US was planning to invade his country, but this would be a very bad idea, as nobody would get any oil, not us, not you, and the resulting war would last a very long time. Let's just hope it doesn't really come to that.
In all fairness to Hugo, and just to keep a little bit of balance we should probably include an editorial from VCrisis.com.

http://vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200603211834

After all, a dictator is a dictator.

For those of you who like to insinuate that George Bush is the real fascist and that the Venezuelan is merely a populist, you might want to remind yourself that by January, 2008, GWB will no longer be in office, while Mr. Chavez for all intents and purposes will be there for life.

I seem to recall that Mr. Hitler was elected and Mr. Hussein always had surprisingly high approval ratings.



I seem to recall that Mr. Hitler was elected . . .

 You are incorrect. On March 5, 1933 the last free elections were held in Germany. The people denied Hitler his majority, giving the Nazis only 44 per cent of the total vote despite massive Nazi propaganda and SS/SA intimidation of the electorate.

 Hitler simply proclaimed himself to be above the constitution, commenced unfettered spying on the populace, detained individuals without warrant and spirited them away to remote camps, controlled all information release, appointed himself Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and manufactured evidence to justify pre-emptive warfare and regime change.

BOP

Yes the Nazi Party had the most seats but did not get a popular majority of the votes (50%+1 vote). This inspite of massive intimidation by the Nazi, Nationalists and the Communist and Socialists. Lots of people were cracking heads back then. The nearest party in popular vote had 18%.

However the Nationalist Party (DNVP) joined in a coalition with the NSDAP which was well over 50%. The Catholic Party later joined to give Hitler the 2/3rds vote he needed to become a dictator "legally."

By this point in time in Germany the center parties were reeling, and the Socialist (SPD) and Commies were the strongest on the hard left, and in a minority.

Link at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_1933

Then Hitler, like Chavez, essentially usurped full power and ended the Weimar Republic. Chavez is an embryonic dictator, albeit one who is popular with the poor of that nation (usually with darker skins) than the middle and upper classes.

What else is interesting is that Germany was the most educated country per capita in 1933 when it freely elected Hitler to lead the nation.

"Embryonic dictator" means "I don't like him but I don't have anything on him."


 And I believe that the USA was the most educated nation on a per capita basis when it elected George II in 2004.


 I do not believe the same can be said for Venezuela.

you are dreaming
Oil CEO,

Why should anyone believe your biased source of news?

Just because you post a link does not make it true.

Seems you have an axe to grind against Chavez.

What might that be?

And gee, I do wonder what could possibly cause anyone to have a beef with Hugo Chavez...

Let's see. Could it be because his "Bolivarian Circles" have violently assaulted his opposition? Because his police have been known to randomly fire into demonstrations against him? Because he is chummy with Castro? Because his bureaucracy uses the Tascon list (the original petition list for recall against him) to blacklist the entire opposition, down to opposition voters? Because he has switched his elections to using paperless computerized balloting machines, with which he not only has made recounts and vote auditing impossible, but which have destroyed the right to a secret ballot? Because he will form warm relations with anyone who opposes the US, even Mugabe? Because he has defunded hospitals in regions that  voted against him, causing the health systems there to deteriorate? Because he has tried to foment war in several neighboring countries? Because he shelters FARC members from justice?

Opposing Bush is one thing. But I am amazed at the willingness of people on the left to latch on to anyone who opposes him, no matter how vile he might be.

The tears are pouring down my face as I pity those poor Venezuelan oligarchs groaning under the unbearable weight of such oppression.
If only they were opposing some admirable, US supported democracy like '80s El Salvador, they would be able to enjoy all the benefits of enlightened, tolerant governance.
Your attitude is disgusting.  At a minimum, 1/3 of the voters (too many to be "oligarchs") are strongly against Chavez.

He is clearly undermining an established democracy so that he can be "President for Life", yet that is "OK" as long as he opposes the US.

So, for you, Dictators of the Right, Bad,
Dictators of the Left, Good.

I think the jury is still out about what his plans are re being "president for life".  Most of what I'm reading has to do with having "flipped" the society on it's head, so that now the ones who used to be on top are on the bottom, and visa versa.  Naturally this pisses off on group while the other group loves it.

It also points out that a stable society requires a strong middle class, which is what we used to have (and it worked very well for us too).  We are busy ripping that apart now, and our stability is going with it.

There was a very long interview that Chavez gave, I believe it was Ted Koppel, in the last year. ABC(or whatever network it was) devoted the better part of an hour's(Nightline, World News Special, 20/20, Primetime Live?) to it. I'm kicking myself now, who thought Hugo would become so popular?

Double points to whoever can provide a link to the video. Contained is a very interesting exchange regarding the "presidency for life" issue. You can only truly understand this issue when you are watching Hugo getting grilled by Koppel.

No link to that interview but here's how the evil dictator violently maintained power Torrent
If Hugo Chavez Frias is a dictator, I'm a ballerina.
Read again the list of his misdeeds provided by the previous poster, and I challenge you to repeat with a straight face  that they are intolerable acts of tyranny.
So apparently black box voting doesn't make someone a tyrant. I would shudder to  live in your idea of democracy, whatever it might be.
Well, at least you recognise GWBush as a tyrant then. You're not totally blind to reality:-)
prole,

This is the second time that you've responded to me on the subject of Mr. Chavez. I suggest the third time you add something of substance. Both times you have attacked me and not the argument. This is an unacceptable form of debate. My axe to grind with Mr. Chavez is that I don't believe he is what he appears to some people. I think I've made that abundantly clear with the material I've presented on the subject. You are welcome to your opinion of Mr.Chavez, I understand that you don't agree with mine, nor feel I have the right to express it. If you have something to say in defence of Mr. Chavez, say it. Otherwise, I would appreciate it if you left me alone.

It's fully true that Hitler was elected that first time around. But W wan't elected. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd like to slice off Florida and let it drift. That was before Y2K! Let that piece of sh#$% drift and 9/11 Cuba. CRASH!!!!

I guess that Democracy was the Y2K computer failure. Democracy wasn't Y2K-compliant.

Chavex is described as a demagogue:-  

"a person who tries to stir up the people by appeals to emotion, prejudice, etc., in order to win them over quickly and so gain power."

And you find that different from GWB?.  As for there for life, if the US govermental system did not have the 2 term rule, your politians might be inclined to invest more in the future instead of worrying about the next circus.

Is it so very wrong to use the wealth of your country to the benefit of its people?  I find the anti american rhetoric unhelpful, but in light of that coming out of Washington entirely justified.  It will take some more years and elections to see if the man is a genuine democrat.

Before all the charges and counter charges go too far, the facts would be nice:

"in 1999, a National Constituent Assembly drafted a new constitution that increased the presidential term to six years; an election was subsequently held on 30 July 2000 under the terms of this new constitution.

"election results: Hugo CHAVEZ Frias reelected president; percent of vote - Hugo CHAVEZ Frias 59.5%, Francisco ARIAS 37.5%, Claudio FERMIN 3%
note: a special presidential recall vote on 15 August 2004 resulted in a victory for CHAVEZ; percent of vote - 58% in favor of CHAVEZ fulfilling the remaining two years of his term, 42% in favor of terminating his presidency immediately"

Please note the source of this information:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ve.html

I assume most understand the length of a U.S. presidential term.

Venezuelan president can serve for two consecutive terms.  So can the U.S. president.

Until either man suspends his country's constitution, comparisons to Hitler for either is foolish and adolescent.

so Chavez term is up on Jul 30th this year? Whens the election? Who will replace him? I was unaware of that - thanks
I believe the elections are to be held Dec 2006.
correction: Jan, 2009. Although this Wilson/Plame/Novak/(Rove?)/Miller/Fitzgerald/NYT/Time/Cooper/Libby ->Cheney ->Bush thing looks like it could possibly alter that. Note to Whitehouse: bring Ari Fleischer back.
There is almost no detail in the article you cite. As a piece of journalism it is almost a complete failure. There may be details in some of the other articles linked on the same page but this one is bad polemics. Who are his cronies for example? Not one name. He uses airtime to rant and rave....and sing...he forgot to mention that. George Bush is no democrat. He may be gone in 3 years but the system remains. Imagine the big US of A running scared from someone like Chavez!
I believe this is an editorial I cited. Your comment is also an editorial. Maybe you think you sing better than he does?

As a piece of journalism it is almost a complete failure.

OK. Fair enough. But let's engage in an exercise now. Let's take a look at the word 'almost.' Can you point out the part where it wasn't a failure? Certainly you read it carefully enough to notice. Your next sentence highlights the importance of details.

W doesn't like Hugo for at least one reason. Hugo got ELECTED, not APPOINTED. There's a giant difference between these two heads of state. While W got appointed and re-appointed, Hugo got elected by popular vote fair and square. Nobody can question that. Bush cannot claim that he got ELECTED even once, let alone twice. Sounds like the ol' pot and kettle in a worst case.