The Times (of London) claims to have sources that back up Hersh except for the nuclear part.  However, they're thinking maybe not till 2008.  
I think what the Sunday Times says can be ignored - to put it mildly, they don't have a track record.
Spring is here and it's a truly beautiful Sunday morning. The sea is glinting in the sunlight, birds are singing in the garden, and the flowers are forcing their way through the slowly warming soil. One really wishes the reports relating to contingency plans to attack Iran were totally unfounded, could easily be dismissed, and that nothing could be further from the truth: unfortunately, I don't think they are. But who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and somehow avoid disaster. Maybe aliens will land on the Whitehouse lawn?

In my opinion the number one question we're going to face during the next year or two, is how do we stop an attack on Iran. Forget global meltdown and Peak Oil for a bit, these things are threats we face in the future. Iran is far more of an 'immediate concern' and could bring on the effects of Peak Oil far quicker than actually 'running out of oil' ever could.

What worries me, is that the current Bush administration has a great deal of support for taking some sort of action against Iran, especially in Congress, and not just in the Republican group. I seem to remember hearing various politicians stating that waiting and allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a greater threat/risk, than taking action, before it's too late. This of course in a question of 'balance' and relatively small things can upset or sway such a balance.

There is also the 'Israeli equation.' What happens if Israel decides to lauch an attack on Iran? Is that worse or better for the US? Is attacking the nuclear facilities enough? Isn't 'regime change' in Iran the only viable and long-term solution to the Iranian question? These are difficult and complicated questions.

Perhaps Tony Blair could even stop such an attack. Let's imagine that literally threw himself into campaigning against an attack, with the same energy and vigour that he used to justify the war with Iraq. By doing this he might even wipe-out the stain on his reputation, save his legacy and secure his place in history. Surely this would be the kind of challange he loves, once more at the centre of the world stage, travelling from country to country, city to city, and speaking to millions at anti-war demonstrations. His rhetorical skills, and flowing words, mezmerising the adoring crowds, maybe even flanked by Bono and Sting holding guitars! Could he do it, could he swing the American people behind an anti-war stance? I think he just might pull it off. If only an angel would whisper in his ear!

If I was him, I'd go for it, and definitively break with Bush. I fear though that his gone too far down the road to perdition, and redemtion, is well nigh impossible.

Perhaps I should have added that stopping Iraq sliding into full-scale civil war, leading to to a wider regional conflict is also an enormous problem, requiring the skill, intelligence, and wisdom, of a Solomon to stop it happening.
Without Peak Oil, we'd have no need to attack Iran. If there were plenty of oil to go around for another decade, these sabres wouldnt be rattling.
Except that Israel is dictating to us that we go to war- a minor point.
You do realize that by "naming the Jew", you are being antisemitic, which is the most immoral thing you could possibly ever be? Shame, tsk, etc.
Arabs are Semites, too, and thus if you are anti-Arab you are also anti-Semitic.

As for myself, I am for the human race.


You might get in trouble for that too.
There's anti-semitism and then there's anti-Semitism :-)
If there was no oil in the Middle East, we would have about as many soldiers there as we do at the North Pole.
The Washington Post had essentially the same story this morning:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040801082_2.html

(which is down right now, so I can only quote indirectly) and discussion of this is making the usual rounds:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/8/235510/7871

The suggestion has been made that this is a sort of palace coup - an attempt to prevent such an attack by leaking the information to the press.

It isn't just the U.S. of course:

Israel is preparing, as well. The government recently leaked a contingency plan for attacking on its own if the United States does not, a plan involving airstrikes, commando teams, possibly missiles and even explosives-carrying dogs. Israel, which bombed Iraq's Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 to prevent it from being used to develop weapons, has built a replica of Natanz, according to Israeli media, but U.S. strategists do not believe Israel has the capacity to accomplish the mission without nuclear weapons.

The Israelis are pushing for an attack soon - probably because they think there is a window of opportunity while Bush is in office.

Israel points to those missiles to press their case in Washington. Israeli officials traveled here recently to convey more urgency about Iran. Although U.S. intelligence agencies estimate Iran is about a decade away from having a nuclear bomb, Israelis believe a critical breakthrough could occur within months. They told U.S. officials that Iran is beginning to test a more elaborate cascade of centrifuges, indicating that it is further along than previously believed.

The question as to why a nuclear attack is being contemplated has to do with the underground targets they are trying to destroy:

"The targeteers honestly keep coming back and saying it will require nuclear penetrator munitions to take out those tunnels," said Kenneth M. Pollack, a former CIA analyst. "Could we do it with conventional munitions? Possibly. But it's going to be very difficult to do."

Retired Air Force Col. Sam Gardiner, an expert in targeting and war games who teaches at the National Defense University, recently gamed an Iran attack and identified 24 potential nuclear-related facilities, some below 50 feet of reinforced concrete and soil.

The conclusion being reached is that we are painting ourselves into a corner:

Gardiner concluded that a military attack would not work, but said he believes the United States seems to be moving inexorably toward it. "The Bush administration is very close to being left with only the military option," he said.


The attack on Iraq went forward because Iraq had WMD. This was not true.
The attack on Iran is going forward because Iran does not have WMD. See below.

Russian military stalls on reports Ukraine sold warheads to Iran
12:25     |     03/ 04/ 2006

MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - The chief of Russia's General Staff said Monday he could neither confirm nor deny reports that Ukraine had sold 250 nuclear warheads to Iran.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060403/45107320.html

Nothing beats a faith based foreign policy and a Messianic leader concerned with providing a lasting legacy to the world.


 I agree with the previous poster who suggested that if this attack goes forward that the USA be repudiated by all other nations of the world, that all trade and contact with the United States cease.
 I feel that way and I am not a Muslim. I do not know how the world Muslim community will respond but I would be surprised if their sense of outrage is not greater than mine.

 To our American friends, I would suggest that for you, Peak Oil will commence on the day that you bomb Iran.


Nothing beats a faith based foreign policy and a Messianic leader concerned with providing a lasting legacy to the world.
Which, to our peril, includes both Bush and Ahmadinejad.
 There is a singular difference between the two leaders.


 Bush is already a lame duck facing an increasingly independent and obstructive congress and a disenchanted electorate. I suspect that an attack would further fragment any remaining support for Bush and possibly result in his impeachment.


 Ahmadinejad is unpopular due to a failed economic policy. Once Iran is attacked the populace will unite behind him. He will become stronger, not weaker.


 Most revealing will be the response from other nations to the Hersh report. I would expect increased muslim nation solidarity despite religious differences. North Korea is in some form of strategic pact with Iran. China has invested in Iranian energy resources. Russia has an opportunity to run their Afghanistan defeat in reverse. Europe has to ponder where next winters NG will come from; they know it will not come from the US. Dubai and the other nations on the Gulf know that they, not the US, will form the frontlines in any subsequent conflict (remember those nice photos of a surreal Dubai waterfront development posted last month?). The "Bolivar Bloc" in South America will likely draw closer together.


I think Stuart's analysis is correct. The sources are speaking out of a concern for the decisions being made and the potential negative outcomes visible to any rational actor. They are not, as Sailorman suggests, speaking out due to the Pentagon conducting a normal planning update. The sources appear to have the expertise to discern between the two.


I bet one dollar, to be contributed to the charity of your choice, that the U.S. does not attack Iran during the next twelve months.

If you lose, you pay one dollar to my favorite charity, The Nature Conservancy.

Want to put your money where your mouth is?

(Honor system: I'll trust you to contribute if you lose, and you trust me. O.K.?)

My wife asked me yesterday if I thought we were really going to attack. I said "No, I think we will come to our senses here." I hope this is carefully leaked information to get Iran to negotiate. We are busy enough in Iraq without taking on another enemy over there. Not to mention the cost in lives, and dollars.

RR


If the Iranians already have Russian warheads, then what is the point in attacking Iranian enrichment facilities.  For that matter, what would be the point in building enrichment facilities, knowing that this itself would be provacative?
The worrisome part is that the Bush admin is acting like they have an upcoming deadline.  At the end of March, they only wanted to give Iran 14 days to stop enrichment.  They tried to talk El Baradei out of going to Iran next week.  If they're insane enough and have decided to do it no matter what, they won't wait and take the chance of being stopped by a bad hurricane season or what have you.
Stuart,

I found this from the Times article you noted (thanks!) quite revealing:

"The Sunday Times was last week given the same message. A senior White House source said Bush and Cheney were determined not to bequeath the problem of a nuclear Iran to their successors. "It's not in their nature," he said.

White House insiders scoff that Bill Clinton left Al-Qaeda unchecked. A nuclear-armed Iran, they believe, is too dangerous to be left to a potential Democrat president.

One date is said to be etched in the minds of military planners: 2008. Word has gone out that the Iranian nuclear crisis must be resolved by then or the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, with its Israel-baiting rhetoric, will face military consequences."

It reminds me of the point made by the Indian General after the Gulf War, "Don't fight the Americans without nuclear weapons."

As to some other comments on this point, it is unlikely that Iran would have its first nuke or two for three years.

Mother's plea for justice for her slaughtered son

Just before midday on 11 April, 2003, an Israeli sniper opened fire on three children as they played in a dusty, makeshift playground in Rafah, deep in the fag end of the Gaza Strip. The youngsters froze. A young English photographer dashed to the scene, carrying the traumatised body of a small boy to safety.

 Yup. That President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, with his Israel-baiting rhetoric. Better bomb him quick.

 

 And funny how this story got no play in the US media. Appears to concern an American citizen.
 

 


 Emails show that Hurndall arrived in Rafah after hearing of the death of American peacekeeper Rachel Corrie. He wanted to know what had really happened, Could it really be that bad?


Rachel was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a gathering of young idealists who offer themselves as human shields. Three weeks before Tom was shot, the 23-year-old had watched a bulldozer rumble towards Palestinian homes that the IDF wanted to flatten. She stood her ground. The bulldozer, it is alleged, crushed her, stopped, then reversed over her broken frame. Photographs show ISM activists huddled around a crushed body. In the background stands the massive shape of a bulldozer. Connecting the two are deep bulldozer tracks. The field report by the IDF, in keeping with the controversial accounts furnished by their inquiries into the death of James and Tom, state that Rachel was 'not run over by an engineering vehicle'.



http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1750051,00.html