Prof Goose,

We have the first amendment. It guarantees the wealthy will control the country. More $$$ = more speech.  Hence, there will be no political solutions to this problem (or any problem) that are not in the favor of the people who have the most $$$.

You're a uni prof, so my guess is you are not rolling in the cash. Which means the responses the people with the real $$$ come up with will (most likely) not be in your interests.

Best,

Matt

well, it was at least in some debate until Buckley v. Valeo (1976), which basically said free speech was equivalent to cash yes.  but you've got a freaking JD, so you know that.  :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo

So the right to assemble to petition for redress ensures that the wealthy remain powerful? Somehow, I missed that in reading the coverage of the various demonstrations over the last couple of months for those who feel the current politics concerning immigration is not something they can simply ignore.

What I will grant you is that most Americans (excepting those recent and illegal immigrants) are far too lazy to care about anything but their comforts, which are draining away anyways.

Personally, I find this money=power equation a touch too simplistic in any political system which allows for the change of government without revolution and blood in the streets. Unless you think FDR and his various approaches to government during the Great Depression were just another example of the rich retaining power (I may add, the rich of the time would not have agreed with you - it has taken them generations to roll back Roosevelt's reforms).  

But as we all know, the most dominant voting block in American is the non-voter. I am not sure what that has to do with 1st Amendment rights, but it is certainly a sign of the sort of decay that anyone looking at democracy as a political system considers to be one of the incurable weaknesses which eventually destroys democracy. The founders of America read a lot of history, and the fact that the system they constructed has lasted a couple of centuries is proof that they understood much about democracy's fatal flaws - no one else at the time expected more than a few years.

But America has always been about the rich having power - didn't you learn that in history in school? Maybe coming from Virginia, these things are handled more honestly than other places - none of the Virginian Founding Fathers were of modest means - and their taste in plantations remains heads and shoulders above everyone else's, in my humble opinion.

FDR was a reformer, not a revolutionary. He did not want to get rid of the rich, or inheirited wealth like his, he wanted to keep them from self destructing completely.
In 1932 it was Roosevelt or Huey Long. Long would have stripped the rich of their wealth without blinking an eye.
Certainly he was a reformer, somewhat like another Roosevelt.

The point I was trying to make was that essentially in the eyes of his rich social contemporaries, FDR was a class traitor who sold them out, and not someone acting in their interests, short or long term.

Of course, we can see how it played out - which is why that comment about taking generations to roll back many of FDR's reforms is there. The rich didn't suddenly develop a social conscience following WWII - they faced Stalin, and then their nightmare of 'Communism' - only after that threat seemed safely over could they get back to work doing the one thing the rich can always be counted on - increasing their wealth without concern for any human being but themselves.

Yeah, you are right. The same thing happened in Britain after the Napoleonic wars. The welfare benefits were cut and the "corn laws" were increased as a sort of de facto tax increase. They weren't worried about Nappy landing and the peasants revolting.
Exactly!

There were two factions (oversimplified) of the rich back then. The FDR faction and the "Dupont" faction for lack of a better term.

The Dupont faction wanted no reforms. Had they gained power (they attempted a coup in '34) there would have been no reforms. The country would have seen a meltdown and probably turned to communism once the dust had settled.

The FDR faction was the smarter faction in my opinion. They knew that if they didn't help out the poor people a little bit (with the New Deal) the whole thing would go down the tube.

Imagine two brothers who co-own a plantation. FDR was the brother who figured we better give the slaves better working conditions or there going to burn down the plantation and hang the master's family. Smart move, in my opinion.

Best,

Matt

P.S.

For those of you wondering about the attempted coup, yes it really did happend. History channel even did a documentary about it and their not exactly known for being a radicalist media outlet. For more info, read the original House documents confirming the whole damn thing:

http://www.claytoncramer.com/primary/other/HUAC1.pdf

http://www.claytoncramer.com/primary/other/HUAC2.pdf

http://www.claytoncramer.com/primary/other/HUAC3.pdf

A good summary here:

http://www.claytoncramer.com/amcoup.html

"So the right to assemble to petition for redress ensures that the wealthy remain powerful. . ."

Yes.

Let's say the TOD editors organize an assembly to redress grievances surrounding our oil problmes.. Unless it is supported by the $$$ through the mass media it will not have any real effect.

Take a look at the letter they crafted. Guess what? Unless the mainstream media (NBC owned be General Electric, for instance) picks it up, some dumbass yelling "its the gays fault for high gas prices! God will bring down the prices once we get the gays!" over on Fox News will have 1000 times more influence then TOD, LATOC, FTW, combined etc.

Which "prophet-of-doom" has more influence in this country: yours truly or Tim Lahaye (sp?), the author of the "Left Behind" series and why?

It comes down to $$$.

Best,

Matt

At the end of the day you can always have a revolution.

Political solutions are always possible, given the will.

Which didn't work out so well for France in the 1790s. Well not for the aristocracy anyhow.

Their politics changed, but it was an exceedingly messy process.

In the same century it worked ok for the overseas colonies.

I don't see the revolution of 1790 as going wrong, although it laid out the process for the first total war in Europe.

Revolutions are the extreme political actions, they should be left for when all else fails.

This long bit is regards the wealthy will control:

Narco-Dollars for Dummies

"Sam and Dave Do Boat Loads
of White Agricultural Substances

Okay, let's start at ground zero. It is 1947, and World War II is over. America is ready to go back to work to build the corporate economy. We are in New Orleans on the docks.

Two boats pull into the docks. The first boat is full of a white agricultural product grown in Latin America called sugar. The owner of the cargo, lets call him Sam, sells his boat load of white agricultural substance to the sugar wholesaler on the docks for how much money?

[...]

Back on the docks, the second boat---an exact replica of the boat carrying Sam's sugar---is a boat carrying Dave's white agricultural product called drugs. [...]

Dave the drug man has a much bigger "cash profit per boat" than Sam the sugar man. Part of that is, of course, once Dave has set up his money laundering schemes, even after a 4-10 percent take for the money laundering fees, it's fair to say his tax rate of 0 percent is lower than Sam's tax rate. While it is expensive to set up all the many schemes Dave might use to launder his money, once you do it you can save a lot avoiding some or all of the IRS's take.

Look at your estimate of Sam and Dave's sales and profits. Now answer for yourself the following questions.

Who is going to get laid more, Sam or Dave?

Who is going to be more popular with the local bankers, Sam or Dave?

Who is going to have a bigger stock market portfolio with a large investment house, Sam or Dave?

Who is going to donate more money to political campaigns, Sam or Dave?

Whose wife is going to be bigger in the local charities, Sam or Dave's?

Whose companies will have more prestigous law firms on retainer, Sam or Dave's?

Who is going to buy the other's company first, Sam or Dave? Is Dave the drug man going to buy Sam the sugar man's company, or is Sam the sugar man going to buy Dave the drug man's company?

When they want to buy the other's company, will the bankers, lawyers and investment houses and politicians back Sam the sugar man or Dave the drug man?

Whose son or grandson has a better chance of getting into Harvard or getting a job offer at Goldman Sachs, Sam or Dave's?

[...]

Let's say that every year from 1947 through 2001, that the cash flow sales available for reinvestment from drug profits grew by $3 billion a year, throwing off that number times BIG PERCENT. Okay, assume that the reinvested profit grew at the compound growth rate of the Standard & Poor's 500 as it got reinvested along the way.

That amount is an estimate for the equity owned and controlled by those who have profited in the drug trade. Total narco dollars. How much money is that? I made an Excel spread-sheet once to estimate total narco capital in the economy.

My numbers showed` that Dave the drug man had bought up not only Sam's companies, but ---if you throw in other organized crime cash flows----a controlling position in about most everything on the New York Stock Exchange."

Every person concerned about energy issues NEEDS to read that "narco-dollars for dummies" article in its entirety if you want to know "how things work" and why writing to your politicians is a waste of time.

I already knew a lot about the drug war when I first read that articlea bout 2.5 years ago. It kept me up all night contemplating the implications.

Best,

Matt