Hello HO,

Thxs for the new info!  I find the Euro-Russian natgas situation fascinating.  If the Euros are smart, they should do every effort to increase efficiency, insulation, conservation, etc, so that they can ssttrreettcchh this natgas benefit as much as possible to keep their economies robust enough to pay their bills.  If not, I am sure the Russians can resell this fuel to another eager buyer with more cash.  The best Euro benefit of all would be if this Russo energy could mostly be used to build the next paradigm, instead of just burning it for senseless reasons.

Still find it hard to believe that so many exporting countries let their citizens have fossil fuels at below market costs.  This will not help prepare their people for the next paradigm; it will only lead them further into Overshoot.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

I find that "the gilt that is now off the gingerbread" is fascinating as well.

Thank goodness for google, or I would have never had any idea what that meant.  Sounds like some of that there crazy pommespeak!  snicker

for those of you who are just as naive as I about gilted gingerbread, see here.
I got the meaning from the context, but I'd never heard this one, either.  Gilding lilies, yes, gingerbread, no.  
Except the definition for gingerbread misses the usage of the term to describe the decoration applied at the eaves and other locations on victorian style houses.  The gilding applied there makes more sense than to actual gingerbread.
Ah.  That click you heard was the (power compact flourescent) light bulb going on over my head.
Nice to see you conserving. I'm going to start using LED lights as the CFs burn out.
I love how when I click the switch now, it seems like it takes  3 or 4 seconds for the light to come on. Although it is probably just a second. I feel completely advanced. Because I am. TOD people are making the transition. We are the new generation.
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"Still find it hard to believe that so many exporting countries let their citizens have fossil fuels at below market costs.  This will not help prepare their people for the next paradigm; it will only lead them further into Overshoot."

Why do you find that hard to believe? The West, and the US in particular, while not selling below market, has long been selling well below what the price ought to be in view of future depletion. And continues to even with recent increases.

The citizens in those countries, in many cases, are far less able to afford market. (Our citizens are able to pay with borrowed money -- second and third mortgages, in essence held by other countries.) So that's one form of spreading the wealth, maybe not the best, I agree.

Overshoot? Yes, again, I agree. For them, and for us.