I was actually born and raised in the area just north of Newcastle in England.  When I went to work I went by bus past large hills of waste.  I have posted before of smogs so thick I could not see my hand in front of my face, and the buildings were black, and soot fell on the washing on the line.  That was the way it was. For many folk at the time you worked at the mine, because that was where the work was.

The land has been restored, the air is much cleaner, and the buildings have also been cleaned and restored.  I can remember, at the pub, men talking about the wonder of being paid almost as much to work at the local chocolate factory as they had been paid at the pit, and being able to see the sun between Sunday and Friday. I have posted pictures, and could also post pictures from the hills were my great . . .great grandparents mined which are now considered to be moorland to be protected from the ugliness of wind turbines.

There are parts of southern Illinois where houses are built and orchards grow on the old spoil banks, and fish are found in the water that fills the valleys between them.

I am aware of the problems that exist in China, which is in many ways going through the issues that confronted Europe after the second World War, when nations had to be brought back from the destruction of that war.

However, to neglect the strides that have been made from those times, and the technologies and legislation that now significantly reduces the long-term impacts of mining is to deny reality. The Chinese Government recognizes that they have problems, and are working to solve the problem, but in the present situation the demands for energy to build the plants that supply the rest of the world with cheaper goods, is driven to a level that limits what they can do.

And while coal is part of their answer they are also aligning supplies of oil and natural gas into the future, that while improving their environment, concurrently reduce the supplies that are going to be available to the United States, and Europe. It is a concern that I have posted about before, and will likely again.

China also has a long list of hydroelectric projects that they want to build as well as 30 nuclear power plants.  And a few wind turbines as an experiment/to gain experience.

With these, China can, I think, reduce their reliance on coal.

At the moment Chinese reliance on coal is actually increasing, and there's no sign of that trend reversing.
I'm not trying to be insolent, just curious, could you post a couple of data points for that trend thing -- it only takes two data points to make a line :-)  We love data in TOD don't we?
I'll get back to you next Monday with the new BP energy review, too lazy at the moment :-)
Chongqing, the sprawling municipality at the upstream end of the Three Gorges reservoir, has revealed a plan to build two big dams on the main channel of the Yangtze River, the Chongqing Morning Post (Chongqing chenbao) reported yesterday [Mar 21].

If approved, the Zhuyangxi and Xiaonanhai hydropower projects would bring to four the number of dams spanning the central section of China's longest river.

Gezhouba, completed in 1988, was the first dam to block the Yangtze. Forty kilometres further upstream, construction of the concrete dam at the Three Gorges project, which stretches for 2.3 kilometres across the river, is to be
completed in May. (All parts of the mammoth project are due to be finished by 2009.)

Cai Qihua, director of the Changjiang [Yangtze] Water Resources Commission, recently led an inspection tour to the proposed Xiaonanhai and Zhuyangxi dam sites, the Chongqing Morning Post reported. Xiaonanhai is located 40 kilometres upstream of metropolitan Chongqing (and 650 kilometres upstream of the Three Gorges dam), while Zhuyangxi is 140 km upstream of Chongqing.

The design institute of the CWRC, which was also the principal designer of the Three Gorges project, has begun doing design work on both of the proposed new dams.

Xiaonanhai, the smaller of the two projects, with one gigawatt of installed generating capacity, would be built first, China News Service (Zhongxinshe) reported. Zhuyangxi would have a generating capacity of 3 gigawatts, cost US$3.75 billion, and be built between 2009 and 2016, the Chongqing Morning Post reported.

At least 21 large dams are also planned or under construction on the Jinsha River, as the upper Yangtze is called. The four biggest projects (Xiluodu, Xiangjiaba, Baihetan and Wudongde) are being constructed by the company building the Three Gorges dam, and are slated to have a combined installed capacity of 38.5 gigawatts, twice that of Three Gorges.

Apart from producing power, the four dams are designed to tackle a serious problem facing the Three Gorges reservoir: They are supposed to help block silt and prevent a dangerous buildup of sediment behind the Three Gorges dam.

The construction of more than 100 large dams on the upper Yangtze has already worsened the flood risk on the river, a Chinese expert told the Fourth World Water Forum in Mexico City yesterday [Mar 21].  

Cheng Xiaotao of the Beijing-based China Institute of Water Resources and Hydropower Research said the dams were causing longer-lasting and higher floods.

He advocated shifting from flood control to the non-structural approaches of flood management.
(World Water Forum Bulletin, Mar 22)

Fact box: YANGTZE / JINSHA DAMS

YANGTZE: Two dams currently span the river.Plans for two more have just been announced
Dam Location Size (GW) Status
Gezhouba Hubei 2.7 built
Three Gorges Hubei 18.2 under construction/being commissioned
Zhuyangxi Chongqing 3 proposed
Xiaonanhai  Chongqing 1 proposed

JINSHA: Below, five of the more than 20 large dams planned for the Jinsha (as the Yangtze is called upstream of Chongqing municipality)

Dam Location Size (GW) Status
Xiluodu Sichuan/Yunnan 12.6 under construction
Xiangjiaba Sichuan/Yunnan 6 under construction
Baihetan Sichuan/Yunnan 12.5 site preparation
Wudongde Sichuan/Yunnan 7.4 site preparation
Hutiaoxia (Tiger Leaping Gorge) Yunnan 2.8 designed

(As a frame of reference, 1 GW = an average nuclear plant, although hydro typically has a significantly lower capacity factor.  I suspect that many existing Chinese coal plants will be run seasonally (in the winter) when demand is higher and and water flow typically lowest once thes edams are completed + 30 nukes).

Younger people on TOD probably never saw the stunning movie "How Green Was My Valley", but it can be picked up on DVD. It was filmed in 1941, in black & white. Still a great film about the deteriorating environment in a coal-mining town in Wales. Take a look at the Internet Movie Database:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0033729/

Yep, no question, there were strip mines in southern Illinois that were successfully reclaimed. I had a friend who bought some played out mines and did the reclamation. I was down there myself a week here a month there. It was a positive experience, gratifying, and profitable. My friend Gary has had his ears open for the last 30 years for another project that just might be possible. There ain't one.
Go to West Virginia and see the mountain top removal. There is no reclaiming that. You view that landscape and you can only contemplate the active presence of evil.
Why anyone is susceptible to coal PR entirely escapes me.
Why anyone is susceptible to coal PR entirely escapes me.

Why all humans have brains that evolved from those of primitive and frightened ancestors into ones that are easily bent by Madison Avenue escapes me at times too. (Psst, is that second guy in line a terrorist? And who does that first guy think he is?)


(Forgive them, they know not what they are.)

I'd love to design a school curriculum that included a form of a "self-help" course -- say, a little bit like Tony Robbins or Stephen Covey.  I'd think that a course like that would be immensely popular and useful.
If this 'self help' involves having 7 children like Stephen Covey, then it might be a bad idea:-(
Teaching kids how to have children is definitely NOT what I'm talking about!
Your evolutionary research is a bit dated...


Yea, I saw the more advanced one later and was going to post it except that too many TODers are going to identify with, and be offended by, the hunched ape on the right.

Also the picture of Homo Non-Erectus-againus is missing the oil barrel powering his computer and his mobile home. :-)