If you don't like graphs, this is not the site for you.  

Are you even serious? Look, so far in that other thread you called for giving people free energy, free food, free healthcare, and then you say you will "purge" (YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS NOT MINE) anyone who does not go along with your program.

I can't even have a rational conversation with such a position. You are like a child demanding we all live in a fictional place like Middle Earth, sing kumbayah, and roast marshmallows around the campfire for the next billion years.

You do NOT have a plan. You have an irrational wishlist that has no relationship to reality, what homo sapiens is, and how we have behaved to date. If you think that demanding that we behave differently is going to make us change our behavior then you don't understand natural selection at all.

You are the one that used the word "purge" first. Don't get all sanctimonious with me when you started this. You are a Stalin-lite, full of nonsensical ideas and willing to "purge" people who don't cooperate. Well guess what? The rest of us may not roll over and let you "purge" us at all.

Free energy? Free food? Free healthcare? Who is going to provide all this? Oh... it's not really free is it? In other words, you are incapable of even using the English language clearly. You don't even know what you are saying. What you are really proposing is a system of quotas whereby everyone gets the same amount of such things (and the rich don't get to have more than the poor) but have you looked at history and why such utopian BS never works?

I see you waffling on your use of the word purged too. How are you going to make lazy lifestyles go away if someone else doesn't want to cooperate? What are you going to do, wish them into compliance with your new world order? How are you going to make people stop behaving in a way that you don't like? Answer that please.

Homo sapiens is a nasty species, especially compared to other mammals. It's precisely why we are at the top of the heap on this planet right now. It's why we are capable and willing to go to war and kill one another whereas most other mammals won't do such things. This is how we've been naturally selected, and any "plan" for the future that fails to account for what we are is no plan at all.

Issues? You are the one with issues. You are the one living in a total fantasy world. Good luck with your "plan" because I can guarantee that several billion others are not going to cooperate with such nonsense. Deal with that reality.

And my final comment yesterday still stands. TOD is a community focused on reality not fantasy. Bringing utopian fantasies here doesn't help solve anything.

And additionally, YOU are the one that brought up Mayan calendars, 4 angels, 144000 servants of god, the earth reversing its spin, and Bill Gates retiring as all "relevant" to this entire discussion.

Pseudo-mystical nonsense doesn't have a place here, thank you very much. The great strength of TOD has been in facts, data, and clear headed thinking, not in pseudo-mystical nonsense.

Queue the "war on terror" and "global warming" scare.  It's time to change the paradigm...

Ya ya I know, it's "satire".
RIGHT!!

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POLITICAL: Like the inspection-scheme surrogates, proposals for plenipoteniary international police are inherently incompatible with the ending of the war system. The "unarmed forces" variant, amended to include unlimited powers of economic sanction, might conceivably be expanded to constitute a credible ex- ternal menace. Development of an acceptable threat from "outer space," presuma- bly in conjunction with a space-research surrogate for economic control, appears unpromising in terms of credibility. The environmental-pollution model does not seem sufficiently responsive to immediate social control, except through arbitrary acceleration of current polution trends; this in turn raises questions of political acceptability. New, less regressive, approaches to the creation of fictitious global "enemies" invite further investigation.

Nevertheless, an effective political substitute for war would require "alternate enemies," some of which might seem equally farfetched in the context of the current war system. It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation and a half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution.

It is true that the rate of pollution could be increased selectively for this purpose; in fact, the mere modifying of existing programs for the deterrence of pollution could speed up the process enough to make the threat credible much sooner. But the pollution problem has been so widely publicized in recent years that it seems highly improbably that a program of deliberate environ- mental poisoning could be implemented in a politically acceptable manner.

However unlikely some of the possible alternate enemies we have mentioned may seem, we must emphasize that one must be found, of credible quality and magnitude, if a transition to peace is ever to come about without social disintegration. It is more probably, in our judgement, that such a threat will have to be invented, rather than developed from unknown conditions. For this reason, we believe further speculation about its putative nature ill- advised in this context. Since there is considerable doubt, in our minds, that any viable political surrogate can be devised, we are reluctant to compromise, by premature discussion, any possible option that may eventually lie open to our government.

SUBSTITUTES FOR THE FUNCTIONS OF WAR: MODELS:

The following substitute institutions, among others, have been proposed for consideration as replacements for the nonmilitary functions of war. That they may not have been originally set forth for that purpose does not preclude or invalidate their possible application here.

1. ECONOMIC: a) A comprehensive social-welfare program, directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life. b) A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets. c) A permanent, ritua- lized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variants of such a system.

2. POLITICAL: a) An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force. b) An established and recognized extraterrestrial menace. c) Massive global environmental pollution. d) Fictitious alternate enemies.

3. SOCIOLOGICAL: CONTROL FUNCTION: a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model. b) A modern, sophisticated form of slavery. MOTIVATIONAL FUNCTION: a) Intensified environmental pollution. b) New religions or other mythologies. c) Socially oriented blood games. d) Combination forms.

4. ECOLOGICAL: A comprehensive program of applied eugenics.

5. CULTURAL: No replacement institution offered. SCIENTIFIC: The secondary requirements of the space research, social welfare, and / or eugenics programs.

"Another possible surrogate for the control of potential enemies of society is the reintroduction, in some form consistent with modern technology and political processes, of slavery. Up to now, this has been suggested only in fiction, notably in the works of Wells, Huxley, Orwell, and others engaged in the imaginative anticipation of the sociology of the future. But the fantasies projected in Brave New World and 1984 have seemed less and less implausible over the years since their publication. The traditional association of slavery with ancient preindustrial cultures should not blind us to its adaptability to advanced forms of social organization, nor should its equally traditional incompatibility with Western moral and economic values. It is entirely possible that the development of a sophisticated form of slavery may be an absolute prerequisite for social control in a world at peace. As a practical matter, conversion of the code of military discipline to a euphemized form of enslave- ment would entail surprisingly little revision; the logical first stepmoould be the adoption of some form of "universal" military service."
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`Universal National Service Act of 2006'