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AlphaOmega on July 15, 2006 - 9:27am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top
Back down to $76.50 per/br. Whewww, what a relief that was a bit high there! I think we are completely screwed at this point. Just my 2p's for the day!
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gettingwarm on July 15, 2006 - 9:47am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
The NYTimes are spreading more propaganda than it did during the run-up to the Iraq war.

More of a prescription for global warming than energy independence.

Coal will save us:
"The one with the biggest potential -- estimated to displace 29 percent of imported oil -- is making liquid fuels from coal, using the Fischer-Tropsch method."

We can pump more out of the North Slope and West TX than exists:
"A second is to take the carbon dioxide created in both that process and other processes and pump it into old oil fields to push more oil to the surface, a technique called enhanced oil recovery."

Same as #1:
"A third is to use biomass, including wood and crop wastes, as feedstock for factories that make a fuel gas consisting of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. That so-called synthesis gas is the same as that made from coal in the Fischer-Tropsch method and it can then be turned into a liquid."

"The fourth is production of oil from shale, a technique tried after the oil shock of 1979, but abandoned when prices fell."

Little about:
Conservation
Light Rail
Peak Oil
Higher CAFE standards
Global Warming
Etc.

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westexas on July 15, 2006 - 9:51am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Re:  North Slope

http://www.adn.com/money/industries/oil/story/7964034p-7857193c.html
North Slope oil output took triple hit in June
FACTORS: Lisburne issues, warmth, overall declines in old fields hurt monthly tally.

By KRISTEN NELSON
Petroleum News

Published: July 14, 2006
Last Modified: July 14, 2006 at 02:25 AM

Excerpt:

A triple-whammy of seasonally warmer weather, which reduces compressor efficiency, continued pipeline shutdowns at the Lisburne field and declining output from older fields resulted in a drop in North Slope oil production in June.

The June average was 792,592 barrels per day, 3.6 percent lower than in May and 8 percent lower than in June 2005, according to the state Department of Revenue.

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Leanan on July 15, 2006 - 9:54am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Speaking of global warming...

First Half of 2006 Is Warmest on Record

And it sure feels like it, this weekend...  :-P

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SocraticGadfly on July 15, 2006 - 11:53am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Totally agreed... ignores CO2 oilfield injection already ongoing, as though this will be a magic bullet that is suddenly newfound.

Second, it ignores the massive water use, earthen byproducts pollution, etc. of the F-T process.

Third, when an article like this starts talking about oil shale as a realistic part of the solution, you know it has no anchorage in reality.

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sendoilplease on July 15, 2006 - 11:23am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
I think you are very right about the "completely screwed" point.

Batten the Hatches and load up on popcorn, beer and homegrown (reduce your dependency on others ;)

Iran is busy ushering in Allah's Apocalypse Now via it's puppies of war in Lebanon and Gaza... last night the Iranian pResident Flake said His Dad could beat up Israel's Dad and then he Double Dared Isreal to attack Syria... and the Iranians have some people on the ground in Lebanon so they could claim injury and join the fray at any time.

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Israel charged that Iran, the main sponsor of Hezbollah militants, has 100 troops in Lebanon providing Hezbollah key support -- including helping fire a missile Friday that badly damaged an Israeli warship. Hezbollah denied it.

President Bush, on a trip to Russia, said it was up to Hezbollah "to lay down its arms and to stop attacking." Arab foreign ministers gathered in Cairo but fell into squabbling after moderate states, led by Saudi Arabia, denounced Hezbollah for starting the fight....

France decided to send a ferry from Cyprus to evacuate thousands of its citizens from Lebanon -- the first nation to do so. The move signaled the West expects a drawn-out battle....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_o...
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alan on July 15, 2006 - 3:03pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Cry havoc, and let slip the puppies of war
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG11Ak01.html
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sendoilplease on July 16, 2006 - 4:34am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Perfect - the title and this analogy:

"Gavrilo Princeps, the Serbian gunman who shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand dead in June 1914, was a puppy. So are the Hamas ..."

I wonder if Iran and Syria expected this severe of a response. And I love how most moderate arab states blamed the "Recklessness" of Hezbollah and Hamas (and their Syrian and Iranian Masters).

I wonder if the Pakistani Moozlims are going to get India and Pakistan to pick up where they left off in 2003... maybe Islam loses the radicals from it's gene pool soon?

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Oil CEO on July 16, 2006 - 4:50am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What? Your response is incoherent. Should I read link before I tell you the same thing? Get it together.
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xironman on July 16, 2006 - 7:16am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Should I read link before I tell you the same thing?
 I have heard that's how it works.
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sendoilplease on July 16, 2006 - 11:37am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Sorry oily, I'll connect the dots:

The analogy is with the start of WWI - "puppy commits terrorist act on behalf of Master which escalates and precipitates world war" - except this time it is hezbollah and hamas playing the role of the puppies.

The Iranians and Syrians are the Masters holding the other end of the leash... and I wonder if the current consequences were expected by them or if they are a bit surprised at how quickly things have escalated since the abduction of the few soldiers.

And interestingly, the moozlim Puppies in Pakistan have started festivities in India - maybe in the hopes of souring relations between these two nuclear powers who only a few years ago almost came to blows...  I wonder if this is coincidence or a part of Iran's defense

Iran did warned of their hidden army all over the world and these eruptions are happening now when they need distractions to buy time with the UN on the "Nuclear Isthue".

And in both lebenon and pakistan - predominately moozlim countries - the Iranians are weakening governments they do not control via their proxy puppies.

=== pakistan/india

India: Pakistan Must Rein in Terrorists

BOMBAY, India - The bombers who targeted Bombay's rail system had support from inside Pakistan, India's prime minister said Friday, warning that the nuclear-armed rivals' peace process could be derailed unless Islamabad reins in terrorists...

Indian officials, though, have blamed it for many major attacks, including March bombings in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi that killed 20 people and a bombing that killed more than 60 in New Delhi in October.

An Indian Home Ministry official also said investigators were pursuing leads that the outlawed Students Islamic Movement of India could have been involved in the Bombay attacks, possibly with the aid of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency...

Investigators were casting a wide net for the assailants -- focusing on a Pakistan-based Islamic militant network, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, along with smaller homegrown groups...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060714/ap_o...
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Jack Greene on July 15, 2006 - 11:26pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
sendoilplease,

Speculation now is that the fighting, especially against Hezbollah by Israel will last some weeks (2-3?).

I found it of interest that no land troops have entered Lebanon. All this is from the air, artillery based in Israel, or warships.

By the way, will CNN start calling it the Israeli Navy and sailors, not soldiers!

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sendoilplease on July 16, 2006 - 4:25am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
With Iran and Syria orchestrating this who knows how long it could last or how fast it could expand.

About the lack of land troops, I've read several times they are still activating reservists and maybe this is still the "softening up" phase... I guess we'll find out this week.  

About CNN, I saw a short clip of theirs attempting to explain the conflict in the Middle East - it reminded me of why I quit watching television as well as why no one in my 3D world is the least bit aware of Peak Oil.

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Oil CEO on July 16, 2006 - 4:53am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
What is your 3D world? I'm pretty sure my video games are better than yours. C'mon, we can be friends. Trust me, they are.
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sendoilplease on July 16, 2006 - 11:42am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
My 3D world - where I live, vs cyberspace.  I don't have any video games but my kids do, but your's probably are better than theirs ;).
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Jack Greene on July 16, 2006 - 7:55am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
sendoilplease,

Yes, Israel was mobilizing some troops but this is not a full mobilization.

The Israeli goal is to have the Hezbollah Shiite population in southern Lebanon either moved from their mutual border or de-fanged by the Lebanese army, but I do not think this strategy will succeed.

  1. Lebanon in general and her army are too weak.
  2. Bringing further misery to so many is not a winning strategy.

I do not think the new leadership in Israel thought this out far enough. As my Grandpa used to say, "either get on the pot or off the pot." Either smash Syria and gut Iran, or do very little.

There was a war in the 1700's obstentiably fought over a sailor's cut off ear. It was called the "War of Jenkin's ear." I wonder if this thing will grow much larger over the coming days/weeks because of the three Israeli POW's. . . .

One of a series of wars caused by colonial rivalries in the new world. The Spanish excluded English traders from their American colonies, leading to smuggling and resentment. In 1738, Captain Robert Jenkins appeared before Parliament with his ear, which he claimed had been cut off by the Spanish when they boarded his ship seven years earlier. War was declared in 1739, although the conflict was soon swallowed by the War of the Austrian Succession (1740-1748) and by 1743 the hostilies in America became part of King George's War (1744-1748). There were English attacks on Spanish colonies in the Caribbean in 1739 and 1740, and attacks of St. Augustune (Florida), then in Spanish hands, in 1740 and 1743, while the Spanish launched an attack on Georgia in 1743.

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Jack Greene on July 16, 2006 - 8:05am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
sendoilplease,

Just saw this over at the BBC (THE great right-wing site),

"As to where this is going: at the moment, Israel does not seem to be thinking about an exit strategy. I think Israel's calculation is that this is a sufficiently large crisis to prompt the international community to step in and get tough with Syria for its support of Hezbollah and to make the Lebanese Government accountable for actions that take place within its borders.

"I think we can expect a day or two more of the Israeli bombardment of Hezbollah targets inside Lebanon. The Israeli military justified today's bombing of Beirut airport because they said it was used freely to channel arms from Iran to Hezbollah. Despite pressure from hawkish elements in the Israeli military establishment, there is no plan at present to take military action against Syria."

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sendoilplease on July 16, 2006 - 12:15pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Comments top
Great History Lessons Jack - gives new meaning to "lend me your ear"... And they remind us how feeble are the godz of "poliTICs" the eCons and neoCons ignore or worship when they make their pRojEcTIons."

I find the different takes on the situation in the media to be interesting... some seem so naive, some slanted towards someone's axe that needs grinding maybe, some see through the smoke screens.

I think Israel knows exactly what it is doing and it's the Syrians and Iranians who are surprised at how quickly the wolverine came outta his den when they poked it with a stick - and are now wondering which pawn to move next and when.

I think Israel is focused on the Iranians and Syrians while batting away the puppies.  I think they are about as worried about the paper mache "government" in Lebanon as the Iranians and Syrians.

I have a feeling the Syrians and Iranians will make sure things escalate so they can use whatever "goodies" they got from North Korea and/or from Saddam's remaining stash of WMDs (the big surprises they promise ???).

I think the Witches of Persia know Peak Oil is upon us and so believe TimezUp. Those headf*cked freaks are on a Divine Mission for Allah.

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