Psychology is another great unknown.

Our various predictions about mob psychology, modern assumptions and abilities leave even those similar enough to end up at this site in constant disagreement about the expected reactions of individuals, communities and nations as we go into these 'interesting times'..

Hello TODers,

The mood of the country is very depressed.  Perhaps the Paradigm shift is closer than we think.

Bob Shaw in Phx,Az  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

How do we answer a child of seventeen when she asks what kind of future will there be?

Perhaps I would tell her that we will know our families better.  That her father should be listened to and her mother, she should obey.  And to trust her friends and help them as much as possible.  That she should find a passion to believe in.  That she should trust her heart but use her head.  Good instinct tells us which is which and I would counsel her to develop her instincts by learning what is true and what is a lie.  And that a lie will trap her.

I would also tell her to learn the value of silence.  That if you silently listen you can hear the truth and see right action.  Of course I would repeat this daily until she understood.  Her being seventeen I might have to repeat myself often.

I would suggest she attend the best college she could find.  Preferably Berkely or MIT.  Fer u wharf...  Or an apprenticeship on a working farm learning organic vegetable production.

I would suggest above all to find the beauty in simplicity of lifestyle and honor with friends and family.

But I know that first I would have to reflect this lifesyle or she would not ever believe I knew what I was talking about.  

After all.....

We learn from example.

I guess that is up to us.

we're screwed.... our example has created implosion as a distinct possibility.  its up to us to find the best way out of this mess using our intellect, instinct and imagination.  a lot of what we are going to lose we do not need in the first place for a happy life.

simplify, organize and exercize.  the rest will be easy.

bill

For better or for worse, I happen to be 20, in college, and also somewhat obsessive in my consumption of information (loosely focused by the subjects, "energy, society and the environment").

But first, two mistakes I noticed  thus far. First, the comment about the the Alpha Male looking for wives is disgusting, sexist and completely unproductive. Second, the post I'm replying to suggests the author of this letter is a child of 17, when the letter clearly states the young woman is 24. 17 or 24 condescension is rarely appreciated (on the other hand, I recognize the wisdom elders hold, and do my best to listen well).

As for "advice," I'll tell you what I've done in the past year and a half in the hopes that you can avoid doing anything equally stupid.

  1. I read a copious amount of information. If you really really feel the need to try and know everything, and think you'll enjoy it, I won't try and stop you. I am certainly far more educated than if I had let my "energy, society and the environment" education rest at EOS or even The Party's Over, but it can take a toll, and if you think you will actually be able to control the future by attempting to know "everything" you may find yourself disappointed.

  2. I rode my bike (almost) everywhere, started buying locally (and from farmers directly) and organically and tried to reduce extraneous consumption. I feel more alive, generally, and think I'll be better prepared (psychologically) for harder times, whenever they come.

  3. I have a girlfriend, who has probably kept me from going crazy trying to know everything as well as provided some grounding in terms of living life (she's a creative writing/art history major, an excellent juxtaposition).

  4. I've begun some activism related to peak oil (and more importantly global warming) at college and am working with others to do more. It is time consuming, frustrating and slow going, but I enjoy it generally and even when I don't I feel duty-bound enough to keep working.

These rough points would suggest that it is best to live in the moment and not get too caught up in the future. Activism can be draining without some larger context into which it fits in one's life (and even then it is a lot of work). I'm working on developing skills, and am going into Biology. Though I don't grow my own food now, I think I may go into the agricultural sciences. Be that as it may, I think there are plenty of viable career options post peak. Adaptation, the new slogan of the Bush Administration/Climate deniers, is a horrible solution to climate change. However, for peak oil, and especially for those who are privileged (one way or another), it is a fact of life. My demand, baring the worst case scenario of the notorious alpha male (Matt Savinar), is probably unlikely to be destroyed outright, curtailed though it may be.

I'm still a completely confused budding twenty-something. I really like being alive (in all its senses), and feel somewhat compelled to do something for the future generations--although not to the point of sacrificing myself in the process overmuch.

I hope that was of some help, and if you want to continue this conversation I can be reached at david doot huck at oberlin dott edu

-David

Re: First, the comment about the the Alpha Male looking for wives is disgusting, sexist and completely unproductive.

My comment was a joke refering to AlphaMaleProphetOfDoom's previous comments. Sure it was disgusting and sexist, but only unproductive if you didn't get the joke.

I would add another point to your list.

5. Develop a sense of humor, especially dark.

Having a sense of humor, eespecially a dark sense of humor, will probably be even more important then all the others for keeping your sanity if things get especially rough.

Amen to that
 It's what has kept me sane after 30 years of working in hospitals. Unless I'm not sane. Cops, firefighters, medical first responders; we all have it.
 And it helps if you can laugh at yourself once in a while.
Rat
David,

Regarding the "disgusting" comment somebody made about me looking for mulitple wives:

NEWSFLASH FOR DAVIDH: MAJOR CATASTROPHIC ECONOMIC AND ECOLOGICAL PROBLEMS ARE UNFOLDING AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR PANTIES IN A BUNCH ABOUT A DUMBASS SIDE COMMENT ON THE INTERNET.

If that is my last mistake then I will be ok.

I was talking to my seventeen year old daughter there......

No mistake about that.

I don't know what to tell her.
How much truth can a seventeen year old stand.
I am 55 and am having a hard enough time with it.

b


How much truth can a seventeen year old stand.

My first guess would be all of it, you are fairly grown up then. It might even be good to have a real problem even if it is a hard problem to get a perspective on the immaterial group status fancies. If he or she is not ready for hard questions and responsibilities he or she will be fairly soon.

But how much of it is not truthfull facts but someones feelings about giving up? Succeding in getting that across could hurt a lot.

Hey, bro :>) How's you? Sell the business yet?
OK, my kid got hers elf into Cal, but now I need to talk her out of being a business major. At least she knows how to kill chickens.

Rat


HEY, if she's really good at bidness, and you talk her out of being a bidness major, send me your address so I can come over and kick ya'....

Folks, there is, has always been and will always be bidness....the exact nature of it changes, but bidness of some kind will outlast the cockroaches! :-)

Roger Conner  known to you as ThatsItImout

The ultimate business is monkey business.

One of my kids is a business major too. Have not been able to talk them out of it. On occasion, I get to peruse through the scholarly textbooks they read. Some of it is total cult stuff straight out of the Adam Smith church catacombs.

It's OK to study business as long as you do not become part of the cult. "From Good to Great" yeah right, that's where the human race is heading. (--that's the title of one of the "business" books on the reading list)

" "From Good to Great" yeah right, that's where the human race is heading."

Still you got to consider the inverse....would anybody buy a bidness
book called "From Bad to Rotten."   :-)

Roger Conner  known to you as ThatsItImout

They would:

   The Wal-Mart Way

...gee, I wonder if there are a certain kind of stores where that one is prominently displayed? :-)

By the way, I someday really want to discuss WalMart, but it will have to come at the time when I am ready to be shoved out of here for good....it will be controversial.....

Roger Conner  known to you as ThatsItImout

She's too smart for business. Better than a 4.0 in Science; her easiest class last year was Advanced Placement Calculus. Easy, as in "this is my mick".
doin well.  i have a email sitting on my desktop for the last four days for you.  not really waitin fer an edit but just the rest of the right words.

my peak project is about half through and the businesses being sold are about the middle of the project.  one is a few months from closing (at the most) and then the next phase kicks in.

that one involves the relocation out of this unprepared valley.  there is a good local grass root organization forming but its character is one that has no roots in know how.  

i believe knowhow to be the most basic asset needed so i am moving to an area that has a ton of basic knowhow wrapped in mechanical ability.  farmers.  

they have knowhow.  and get the job done.

so that is where i am goin.  some farming field with mountains around it.  and grow the biggest acorn squash and tomatoes possible without chemicals.

this years garden is kickin butt.

93 tomato plants
450 corn plants
rows of beans and beets

i will tell you about it in the mail.

cheers

bill

I'll be waiting. I even check my e-mail once in a while.