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It seems to be going up a bit, even with these very high prices.
The other day, you suggested that hurricanes could not explain the plateau, but from your post today, I feel that you changed your mind a little bit. Is that fair to day?
How about the following explanation for the plateau:
- High prices cause demand to reduce
- Everybody not in the PO debate says that there is at least a 10$ offset for supply worries on the price
- With a short term elasticity of about 0.3, that would be about a demand reduction of 0.3*10/70, about 4-5%.
I know nobody wants to talk like this, but what do you say?At the ASPO-5 meeting there was a presentation by Andrew McKillop, in which he advanced the notion that the supply and demand numbers have been doctored. Mr Luca Barillo, an oil trader, concurred, during his presentation, as did one mutual fund manager in the audience with whom I took up this issue privately.
The claim is that increase of over 4 million barrels per day during 2003-2004 is the result of readjustment of the numbers, as the original numbers at the time did not reflect this large of an increase. Thus if the 2004 and 2005 numbers have been increased after the fact, then the increase during the latter part of 2005 and the first half of 2006 would appear slower than what is actually happening.
McKillop estimates that the increase in demand is around 2.4%or about 2 Mb/d, rather than the 1.3-1.7 percent traditionally assumed. Where does this extra come from? I talked with McKillop and our guess is that it comes from condensate and natural gas liquids, owing to the many natural gas projects which have been started.
From all we read in the papers, it certainly does not seem that demand slowed down over the last 12 months.
best, Seppo Korpela
P.S. My first post to Oil Drum
and welcome to TOD.
At ASPO-5 the Luca, the oil trader, mentioned that an increasingly non-commercial speculative component is now at play in the oil market, which is clear to those who keep a watch on the commercial and non-commercial parts of futures.
Colin Campbell stressed that the year when peak is reached, is immaterial, and we should be concentrating on how we cope after the peak. Jeremy Leggett also gave a great talk and said that we cannot afford to burn all the hydrocarbons, for that might trigger a runaway global warming.
Thanks for the welcome. I do not plan to post very often, as I am working to get my house into a shape which will withstand a cold winter without natural gas.
best, Seppo Korpela
Looking back, supply exceeded demand by 18 million barrels, during the first quarter, so stocks should have risen by that much. OECD stocks rose by 13 million barrels. In fact, supply has exceeded demand for every quarter in table 1, except the 1st quarter of 2005, even in the hurricane hit 3rd and 4th quarters. In 2005 overall, supply exceeded demand by 0.8 mbpd. So stocks should have risen by 292 million barrels. OECD stocks were only 79 million barrels higher at the end of that period.
It doesn't give me much confidence that these figures have any validity. With supply exceeding demand comfortably in the last quarter, prices should have fallen, possibly even with geopolitical factors. Indeed, given the oversupply for over a year, shouldn't prices be way down on their highs?