36 comments on CNG Trash Trucks for NY
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It will never make sense to burn ANY liquid fuel in an ICE at 30% efficiency >> throwing away 70% in the form of heat???
If we have a liquid or gaseous fuel... CNG; landfill gas, CTL... it will be primarily used as a chemical feedstock.
And if you did want to burn the fuel... then it would have to be in a stationary situation so that you can harvest the high-quality heat... for industrial process, space heating, water heating, greenhouses... whatever...
As for trash trucks... what better application for EV... frequent stop & start; no pollutants whilst idling, only low velocity needed... day-use only > over-night recharging
Hell, the British have had electric "milk delivery vehicles" going door-to-door for this identical role since way back in 1950s...
The US gas situation is a heck of a lot better than the oil situation as far as supply. Most of the US sedimentary basins have only been explored thoroughly to 12,000 feet subsurface,and commercial production depths are now possible to 20,000 feet plus. Virtually all the oil is in the 2,000-10,000' depth range in wells, but the greater depth areas are prone to natural gas production. I think that we are still on the up slope in gas production as far as volumes.
But costs go up exponentially as wells are drilled and completed at greater depths and in unconventional objectives such as coal bed methane and shale gas wells or in the deep water and subsalt plays offshore. And burning gas in vehicles still doesn't address global warming.
Produced gas from organic wastes could have the CO2 captured and sequestered from both the upstream production and also from the exhaust of an electric generating plant in a much more cost effective manner through osmotic membrane technology,IMO because it has only one source.
To John Milton,
Allow me to requote your paragraph, because it so correct....
"It would seem to me that a hybrid CNG trash truck would make the most sense, since they are probably the worst example of "stop and go" use I can think of the regenerative braking system really makes sense here to recover some of the energy required to accelerate all those tons of trash time and time again."
There are developments afoot that will astound you, then, but, surprisingly, they will be hybrids, but not gas electric style hybrids. Due to the battery limitations, those are still half decade down the road for heavy vehicles.
But there is a better way. Combined with CNG, the use of the Hydraulic Hybrid drive will enhance performance and efficiency.
http://www.nextenergy.org/industryservices/Hybrid__Hydraulics.asp
http://seniordesign.engr.uidaho.edu/2004_2005/dumpsterdivers/index.htm
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/02/epa_eaton_and_p.html
And of extremely great promise, the stats and details on the EPA/Eaton Corp./Ford partnership demondstrated on a sport ute:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/technology/420f04019.pdf
On many stop and go and vehicles, including mail and delivery trucks and vans, UPS delivery vans, school buses, city passenger buses, and of course, sanitation trucks, the improvement in efficiency once these designs make their way into the fleet nation wide will result in declines of tens of millions of gallons in fuel consumption. It is a revolution that is long overdue.
Roger Conner known to you as ThatsItImout
Ok, so heavy duty EV is not ready yet... how much imagination does it take to get round the problem... say, a fleet of small EV "cabs" pulling lightweight trailers to a central point.. drop & pick up an empty... go to the next subdivision... SOLVED.
And maybe while we are at it... we can start locating landfills for garden waste in the centre of town rather than every inhabitant having to drive(in my case 5 miles) out of town and there, join a line of trucks emptying their 10kg of grass cuttings...
Sorry... just venting...