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No pain can be caused by words.
However, words also demonstrate the character of a person.
Attempting to "out" somebody's pseudonym in order to win points in an argument is unacceptable.
You owe odograph an apology. You also owe the community an apology.
TOD is about ideas, not about individuals. I am sorry that you do not see the value in that.
As far as I am concerned, anything you have to say without a sincere apology is invalid and should be dealt with in the harshest of terms: we'll ignore you.
The community will do all that it can to defend what we have here.
Do you understand?
Yes, I understand we are doomed because our current "social emotions" take over reason any time.
I am much worse than all nazis and wingnuts here, right?
This is a VERY MINOR example, I agree.
Odograph "won" the prize for you all...
You owe odograph an apology. You also owe the community an apology.
I apologize.
Kevembuangga,
One man's wingnut is another man's visionary. In some circles, anyone who gives credence to peak oil theory at all is a wingnut.
By the way:
This is an example of keeping social emotions in check?
Despite some of the above posts, I find your contributions interesting and insightful for the most part. Why not keep it respectful? Nobody wins if you get shut out.
You're the guy at the high school debate club who stalks his opponent + takes videos of him in embaressing situations, just in case you need to add a 'my opponent pisses the bed' video to your points.
As to the thing that I'm guessing got you stirred up - the fact that someone believes in taking back a political brand (republicanism) for people that once had ideals about government (conservatives) is something to be praised, regardless of the idiots who have conquored it for now. As a progressive, I LIKE debating + convincing my conservative friends(without a backup plan) - the current administration simply isn't.
And don't believe that the smarmy Internet chickenhawks don't know that's a credible threat when they threaten to "out" the people they debate. They get a hard-on from spreading fear, yet their hands are as clean as someone who screamed for war with Iraq with no intention of ever enlisting.
I know that Thomas Friedman is often quoted here. But my contempt for the man turned to active rage when I heard that he wrote an editorial calling for the printing of the names of people who disputed the Administration/Israeli line on the causes of terrorism - an enemies list. An enemies list for ideological deviance in America. Being advocated in the Times.
So I did the only thing a real American could do with that news. I e-mailed him and volunteered to be the very first name on that list. Haven't heard back from him yet, though I imagine I'm now on somebody's list.
But if we are not ready en masse to raise our hands to be on a state enemies list like the slaves at the end of "Spartacus", our freedoms will not last long into the era of depletion.
There were plenty of high minded principled people in Germany and Russia who spoke out against Hitler and Stalin, mostly, they got a bullet in the head or ended up in the camps. I recall an old popular art poster of a mouse raising his middle finger to the hawk that was swooping down to eat him. Well, if you have no other options, there is some psychological pleasure in last acts of defiance. But it is much too late to revive the old US republic.
In all seriousness. Have your considered emigration to escape the US? Even Australia and Canada (which are unfortunately also under their own versions of religious neocon management) are less likely to inflict violent vigilante persecution on anti-regime dissidents. Emigration was good enough for Einstein and has worked out well for me.
Many negative factors contributed to our deciding to move. Peak Oil, Global Warming and Climate Change, the new fascist tendencies in government, the rising fundamentalist christian theocracy, etc., but we also wanted to expose our daughters to a different culture and language. I used to obsess about politics, war, collapse, etc., but over time, the positives of simply living here have eclipsed the negatives we ran away from.
I am glad to be here. It is damn nice to live in a country respected by the world and that no one seems to hate.
Damn shame they did so badly in the World Cup though.
Where are you Micro?
Glad you joined. Thanks for volunteering for the list, good idea. We know Big Bro is watching, so let's just flood the switchboards. Tho' it Seems like they're already swimming in poor intel, anyway.
Hope you don't mind the cranks, here. There are a lot of good ideas and references at this site.
Bob Fiske
No, I have no definite political leaning, I can hardly find anything good on whatever side as many as there can be.
Malice in argumentation coupled with anonymity is what stirred me up.
FWIW I've been describing myself as a "lapsed Republican" ever since I heard that term (maybe in a Kevin Philips interview?)
I keep hoping and waiting for a pendulum swing in that party, but see little sign of it yet. Maybe a "postwar" party will need to be different.
There are days where this community keeps me going and hoping.
I'd really like to not see it screwed up to the point where no ones wants to have civil discussions anymore, but that's me being selfish.
Obviously it CAN, but :
... rational behaviour may stem from an ability to override automatic emotional responses, rather than an absence of emotion altogether.